Problems with the news - Has anyone noticed?

[Arjen]

Your life would be more fruitful were you to more closely examine the propoganda machine that is creating your racism.
The real danger is your own local and national neews services that are playing you like a cheap violin to spew their own brand of ********.

Cooperating with totalitarianism normally pays off. But for me, I will be like my grandfather and resist fascism.

What's this nowadays cause?

Did you read the sources I supplied?
Or: who or what has the power and money to manipulate such an incredibke amount of media simultaneously?

[LuckyR]

Your life would be more fruitful were you to more closely examine the propoganda machine that is creating your racism.
The real danger is your own local and national neews services that are playing you like a cheap violin to spew their own brand of ********.

Cooperating with totalitarianism normally pays off. But for me, I will be like my grandfather and resist fascism.

What's this nowadays cause?

Did you read the sources I supplied?
Or: who or what has the power and money to manipulate such an incredibke amount of media simultaneously?

Don't answer a question with a question. What's the source of power and money? BTW in general folks are more interested in your take on your sources than your sources themselves. A paraphrase is worth a dozen citations/links.

[Arjen]

LuckyR You accuse me of what you, yourself have been doing: evading answering my questions and the asking questions of your own that you demand an answer to.

The topic has clear examples and information that you, apparently did not read. The topic is if you have picked up on the problematic consequences of this fact. Please, in order to actually discuss the facts in the real world (and not what takes place in your uninformed assumptions), read what I wrote and the sources that I gave.

Or answer this:

I understand your perspective and that was how it was until x years ago. Nowadays, it has a different cause. For example:
-The BLM - Marxism connection that 0 big news organisation picked up on and are refusing to print when I inform the about it.
-The police walking away when triade members are beating up peaceful democratic protesters. While everyone was talking about it and human rights organisations were involved.

Do these examples strike you as unusual?

How could the news possibly not pick up on these facts, while I did? And I mean Reuters, CNN, NYTimes, etc. The top of the top.

[LuckyR]

@LuckyR You accuse me of what you, yourself have been doing: evading answering my questions and the asking questions of your own that you demand an answer to.

The topic has clear examples and information that you, apparently did not read. The topic is if you have picked up on the problematic consequences of this fact. Please, in order to actually discuss the facts in the real world (and not what takes place in your uninformed assumptions), read what I wrote and the sources that I gave.

Or answer this:

I understand your perspective and that was how it was until x years ago. Nowadays, it has a different cause. For example:
-The BLM - Marxism connection that 0 big news organisation picked up on and are refusing to print when I inform the about it.
-The police walking away when triade members are beating up peaceful democratic protesters. While everyone was talking about it and human rights organisations were involved.

Do these examples strike you as unusual?

How could the news possibly not pick up on these facts, while I did? And I mean Reuters, CNN, NYTimes, etc. The top of the top.

A couple of things: Firstly, I am on this Forum to share ideas, information and personaI opinions, I am not on this Forum to find reading material, I can find that on my own, thank you very much. Secondly, I am very interested in what you get out of the reading YOU have done, hence my asking you for a synopsis of your sources. I don't understand a multiple paragraph explanation on why I should read something to get a one sentence answer to a question that 1) you know and 2) you have alluded to in your writings, yet won't disclose.

[Arjen]

It is that China has corrupted the western MSN and is making us read propaganda: articles written to provoke an emotional response, often contrary to what anyone would think if aware of the facts. The sources show it clearly. It is a global program, part of the CCP's military: information war.

I'll give a 3rd example that I found out just now. Doctor Li-Meng Yan, a former scientist at the Hong Kong School of Public Health (world authority on SARS), has fled to the USA for safety, with proof of the CCP virus coming from a lab in CHina (Wuhan):
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-n ... n-18918510
(random source)
Now, since then, her mother was arrested in China, in order to silence her. However, almost no one ran the story. Tucker Carlson had the scoop:
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6198164324001#sp=show-clips
Not CNN, not NYTimes, not Reuters.

What is that about?
- Everyone knows about the disease, why still cover it up if it was not made in that lab?
- Why is no one running this story? This is world news! So many deaths and now perhaps there is proof it was made in a lab! And hese major news agencies miss that????

[Arjen]

And, this is the 3rd clear example of the major news agencies not running stories that clearly show the dirt on the CCP. That is the common denominator.

[LuckyR]

It is that China has corrupted the western MSN and is making us read propaganda: articles written to provoke an emotional response, often contrary to what anyone would think if aware of the facts. The sources show it clearly. It is a global program, part of the CCP's military: information war.

I'll give a 3rd example that I found out just now. Doctor Li-Meng Yan, a former scientist at the Hong Kong School of Public Health (world authority on SARS), has fled to the USA for safety, with proof of the CCP virus coming from a lab in CHina (Wuhan):
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-n ... n-18918510
(random source)
Now, since then, her mother was arrested in China, in order to silence her. However, almost no one ran the story. Tucker Carlson had the scoop:
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6198164324001#sp=show-clips
Not CNN, not NYTimes, not Reuters.

What is that about?
- Everyone knows about the disease, why still cover it up if it was not made in that lab?
- Why is no one running this story? This is world news! So many deaths and now perhaps there is proof it was made in a lab! And hese major news agencies miss that????

So the Wall Street Journal gets it's marching orders from Beijing. Ok, I guess that's one theory.

Here's an alternate theory, Dr Yan has chosen to release her "data" in a non-peer reviewed publication, ie it is not vetted and as such is logically no better than my opinion. In addition she is not associated with a research institution, rather a political institution (the Rule of Law Society) run by... wait for it... Steve Bannon. You know, the indicted fraudster.

[Arjen]

So, in your mind just being affiliated with Steve Bannon causes you to emotionally discredit her research?
1) https://sph.hku.hk/en/Faculty-And-Staff/Honorary-Staff
She is listed on the site of the Hong Kong school of health. (busted that lie you repeated)
2) A newly written research will get peer reviews OVER TIME. It can't have been published on sept. 14th, as far as I can see:
https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X4P1QIvit9P
No peer review YET (busted that one as well).
3) Why, in the name of Zeus' butthole, would her mother be arrested if it is hogwash?
===> Even IF her research contains mistakes, the fact that China is arresting family members of a researcher is still world news.

4) Do you see how your emotional response made you NOT investigate any of the facts LuckyR? And even disregard the fact that only country that we know for a fact uses international media manipulation worldwide AND is involved in perpetual war with all countries that are not communist AND are involved with BLM and the CCP virus AND can be shown to have these ties to western media AND can be shown to arrest and silence dissidents (and their family members) out right, without doing any checking?

That is just serious. You should pay attention to your own conditioned behaviour.

[Arjen]

Oh, it WAS published on sept 14th, as far as I can see. (mistake above).

[LuckyR]

Uummm... no. Legit research first sees the light of day in peer reviewed journals. Tucker Carlson is not the typical vetting process for legit research.

[Arjen]

I never said that Tucker is the process for that. I said that she placed it there before it was peer reviewed as a life insurance. Do you see how your emotional response to the name Steve Bannon makes you completely stop thinking rationally? Is that, perhaps created by many news articles designed to make you think such things of Steve Bannon: designed to condition an emotion response in the population?

[LuckyR]

I have made the rational choice not to use the word of an indicted scam artist and his associates to obtain my news data. Doesn't sound emotional to me.

Oh BTW, do you consider Fox News to be part ofthe Mainstream media?

[Steve3007]

I'll give a 3rd example that I found out just now. Doctor Li-Meng Yan, a former scientist at the Hong Kong School of Public Health (world authority on SARS), has fled to the USA for safety, with proof of the CCP virus coming from a lab in CHina (Wuhan):
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-n ... n-18918510
(random source)
Now, since then, her mother was arrested in China, in order to silence her. However, almost no one ran the story. Tucker Carlson had the scoop:
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6198164324001#sp=show-clips
Not CNN, not NYTimes, not Reuters.

What is that about?
- Everyone knows about the disease, why still cover it up if it was not made in that lab?
- Why is no one running this story? This is world news! So many deaths and now perhaps there is proof it was made in a lab! And hese major news agencies miss that????

So, on reading this post, the first thing to do is to state clearly what you're claiming so that the claims have a chance of being tested. You seem to be claiming:

1. that Li-Meng Yan has "proof" that the virus was manufactured in a lab in Wuhan, China. By "proof" I presume you mean evidence that impartial observers would take to be overwhelming.

2, that this has been deliberately not reported in what is commonly called the "mainstream media", because those media are under the influence, one way or another, of the CCP.

As a very brief initial test of the second one, I typed "Li-Meng Yan" into Google News (in the UK). Among the stories that came up was this in the UK's Daily Mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rrest.html

Among the things reported in that article it says that a video of the interview segment posted on the Tucker Carlson Tonight show's page now comes with a warning that reads: 'False Information. This post repeats information about COVID-19 that independent fact-checkers say is false.'

So obviously the first claim needs to be tested to see why this warning was written and whether it is justified. We have a case of conflicting claims. Some people (including you and Li-Meng Yan) claim overwhelming evidence that the virus was made in a Chinese lab. Some others claim that her report is 'unsubstantiated' and that it 'cannot be given any credibility'.

What research have you done to find out which side is most likely to be telling the truth here?

[Steve3007]

I think the difficulties in testing those two claims are quite different from each other.

Difficulties in testing the first claim arise mainly because of the need to dig deep into what will probably turn out to be quite technical scientific information aimed at specialists in the field, and which may not be publicly available. But the claim is, at least theoretically, objectively testable. But difficulties in testing the second claim arise because it involves making a value judgement as to how important a given news story is, compared to competing news stories, and what constitutes adequate coverage by the media, fairly reflecting the importance of the story.

[Sculptor1]

It is that China has corrupted the western MSN and is making us read propaganda: articles written to provoke an emotional response, often contrary to what anyone would think if aware of the facts. The sources show it clearly. It is a global program, part of the CCP's military: information war.

I'll give a 3rd example that I found out just now. Doctor Li-Meng Yan, a former scientist at the Hong Kong School of Public Health (world authority on SARS), has fled to the USA for safety, with proof of the CCP virus coming from a lab in CHina (Wuhan):
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-n ... n-18918510

LI Meng Yang, is discfredited, and is not capable of knowing if the virus came from a lab or not.
Here report has been examined and found wanting.
"According to a scientific review by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, the paper "presents a theory about the origin of SARS-CoV-2 but offers contradictory and inaccurate information that does not support their argument."[6] Four reviewers published in the MIT Press said the "manuscript does not demonstrate sufficient scientific evidence to support its claims.""
WIKI

It's a clever way to get yourself asylum, especailly when you have skills that make you employable, but her evidence does not hold up.

Now, since then, her mother was arrested in China, in order to silence her. However, almost no one ran the story. Tucker Carlson had the scoop:
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6198164324001#sp=show-clips
Not CNN, not NYTimes, not Reuters.

No one ran the story because it is not credible.

What is that about?
- Everyone knows about the disease, why still cover it up if it was not made in that lab?
- Why is no one running this story? This is world news! So many deaths and now perhaps there is proof it was made in a lab! And hese major news agencies miss that????

You love it because you have a bug up your **** about China.
Ask yourself the same question. Why is it only Fox News and obsqure papers like Wales-online that are running with the story. Is it because they are sensation seeking "journos"?