Is it time for the USA to repeal the "Royal Pardon"?

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Is it time for the USA to repeal the "Royal Pardon"?

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Is it time for the USA to repeal the "Royal Pardon"?

Join the 19th Century

Trump seems to be freeing a massive list of crooks and cronies, after they have been convicted by due process of some really bad things.
This is a tradition based on Britian's Royal Pardon. But it was never abused in this way in living memory. Not in the UK, nor the US.
Trump has waited until after the election. If he'd have pardoned them BEFORE the election, he'd have spoily his chances.
Surely a pardoning ought to be done some time before any elections, so that the peope can show their opinion upon his choice?
If the US want to keep such an archaic system, then why not make a few basic guidlines or actual rules.
Right now, what Trump is doing is a damn embarassment.
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Sculptor1 wrote: December 24th, 2020, 10:21 am Is it time for the USA to repeal the "Royal Pardon"?

Join the 19th Century

Trump seems to be freeing a massive list of crooks and cronies, after they have been convicted by due process of some really bad things.
This is a tradition based on Britian's Royal Pardon. But it was never abused in this way in living memory. Not in the UK, nor the US.
Trump has waited until after the election. If he'd have pardoned them BEFORE the election, he'd have spoily his chances.
Surely a pardoning ought to be done some time before any elections, so that the peope can show their opinion upon his choice?
If the US want to keep such an archaic system, then why not make a few basic guidlines or actual rules.
Right now, what Trump is doing is a damn embarassment.
True dat. I figure is it better for the mango to go down in history as the biggest F up ever, or if he were to act "normal" at some point, perhaps get glossed over as just a little below average, say like Harding or Buchanan?
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LuckyR wrote: December 25th, 2020, 4:15 am
Sculptor1 wrote: December 24th, 2020, 10:21 am Is it time for the USA to repeal the "Royal Pardon"?

Join the 19th Century

Trump seems to be freeing a massive list of crooks and cronies, after they have been convicted by due process of some really bad things.
This is a tradition based on Britian's Royal Pardon. But it was never abused in this way in living memory. Not in the UK, nor the US.
Trump has waited until after the election. If he'd have pardoned them BEFORE the election, he'd have spoily his chances.
Surely a pardoning ought to be done some time before any elections, so that the peope can show their opinion upon his choice?
If the US want to keep such an archaic system, then why not make a few basic guidlines or actual rules.
Right now, what Trump is doing is a damn embarassment.
True dat. I figure is it better for the mango to go down in history as the biggest F up ever, or if he were to act "normal" at some point, perhaps get glossed over as just a little below average, say like Harding or Buchanan?
I suppose that the US is pretty much stuck with this antiquated presidential right since no potas would ever voluntartarily repeal that right.
I think it would make a big difference, though, if all pardons had to be given out BEFORE an election since that might make them more reasonable.
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Sculptor1 wrote: December 25th, 2020, 6:38 am
LuckyR wrote: December 25th, 2020, 4:15 am

True dat. I figure is it better for the mango to go down in history as the biggest F up ever, or if he were to act "normal" at some point, perhaps get glossed over as just a little below average, say like Harding or Buchanan?
I suppose that the US is pretty much stuck with this antiquated presidential right since no potas would ever voluntartarily repeal that right.
I think it would make a big difference, though, if all pardons had to be given out BEFORE an election since that might make them more reasonable.
There you go again, proposing a completely logical idea in a political arena. Sheer madness, never going to happen.
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LuckyR wrote: December 26th, 2020, 4:28 am
Sculptor1 wrote: December 25th, 2020, 6:38 am
I suppose that the US is pretty much stuck with this antiquated presidential right since no potas would ever voluntartarily repeal that right.
I think it would make a big difference, though, if all pardons had to be given out BEFORE an election since that might make them more reasonable.
There you go again, proposing a completely logical idea in a political arena. Sheer madness, never going to happen.
I think some logical sensible and wise decisions can emerge from the political process - even in the USA!!
Frinstance; slavery was repealed. Maybe not for the best reasons in the end, but it was repealed. All the Americans have to do now is repeal it in their hearts too.
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Good idea, Sculptor1. And now Trump has provided all the reasons anyone would need to agree with you. Biden should make it happen.
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Sculptor1 wrote: December 26th, 2020, 6:52 am
LuckyR wrote: December 26th, 2020, 4:28 am

There you go again, proposing a completely logical idea in a political arena. Sheer madness, never going to happen.
I think some logical sensible and wise decisions can emerge from the political process - even in the USA!!
Frinstance; slavery was repealed. Maybe not for the best reasons in the end, but it was repealed. All the Americans have to do now is repeal it in their hearts too.
I see you are an optimist. Good for you!
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LuckyR wrote: December 27th, 2020, 3:05 am
Sculptor1 wrote: December 26th, 2020, 6:52 am

I think some logical sensible and wise decisions can emerge from the political process - even in the USA!!
Frinstance; slavery was repealed. Maybe not for the best reasons in the end, but it was repealed. All the Americans have to do now is repeal it in their hearts too.
I see you are an optimist. Good for you!
I am impatient. But there has been progress.
My partner and I just watched "The Ripper" on Netflix concerning the Yorkshire Police's hopeless attempts to bring to justice "The Yorkshire Ripper".
The levels of ignorance, misogyny and lack of interest in what they liked to characterise as "prostitutes", (on very little grounds), was not only remarkable for its stupidity but by how antiquated it now seems.
So even in half a generation things have progressed.
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Robert66 wrote: December 26th, 2020, 3:46 pm Good idea, Sculptor1. And now Trump has provided all the reasons anyone would need to agree with you. Biden should make it happen.
Thanks for the support.
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Trump pardoning the convicted people or those who have committed and admitted a serious crime should never be pardoned. Period.
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