What do you think about this quote?

Chat about anything your heart desires here, just be civil. Factual or scientific questions about philosophy go here (e.g. "When was Socrates born?"), and so most homework help questions belong here. Note, posts in the off-topic section will not increase new members post counts. This includes the introductions and feedback sections.
User avatar
mystery
Posts: 380
Joined: May 14th, 2021, 5:41 am
Favorite Philosopher: Mike Tyson
Location: earth

Re: What do you think about this quote?

Post by mystery »

Sushan wrote: May 25th, 2021, 10:48 pm
mystery wrote: May 25th, 2021, 6:55 pm
Sushan wrote: May 25th, 2021, 8:21 am
mystery wrote: May 25th, 2021, 7:36 am
yes, it is. However, I can not agree with the choice of the killer and would take any actions possible to interfere with that. The point is that the moral framework and validation are not the same. Some moral frameworks try to manipulate via validation and shame. This can result in a very moral person that has suicidal internal feelings. When we choose to do something moral in exchange for validation that can lead to low self-esteem because of the dependency on external validation. We have probably all heard of cults that result in mass death because the member's validation has been successfully tied to the choices of the cult usually via validation/withholding validation and or shame, terrible things are then done. There is a deep reason that suicide was called out as a sin.

So, yes we can have a terrible killer that has high self-esteem. They still need to be stopped and dealt with.

Self-esteem does not equal morality although we can try to use it to enforce morality.
This sort of a self validation seemingly does not have any boundaries. There is nothing to control that. And in that sense it is harmful to the others. Human is a social being. He cannot do whatever he like because all of his actions have an impact to the others. And that is why moral values are valued and rules and regulations are set. So a self-esteem which has no reference or no borders is a dangerous thing.
Hi Shushan, I can understand your position. I agree that we shall not do whatever we like. At the same time, we shall not defer to another to validate our existence. I believe that self-esteem and morality are different things. Consider if only high morality deffer to others for validation then ultimately the low morality will develop more power and this is an undesirable situation, would you agree?

We also might be touching on individualism vs collectivism. collectivism usually results in lower self-esteem and each individual does not reach full potential as the good of the individual is second to the many.

I do not suggest no borders. We shall live by codes and laws and if those are broken we shall take action.

A group of sheep following a wolf is a dangerous thing.
I agree. Adequate self-esteem and self -validation is essential for the revelation of the full potential of a person. Even child psychiatrists advice parents not to compare their child with other children because it will cause the child to loose self-esteem.

Definitely, if subjected to other's validation, it should be both high and low mortalities, because there is no reason for the exclusion of either of them. Maybe the validation can be done by one for one's own self, but his actions should be judged by the society, and should be corrected if it does any harm.
That's good, agree.
User avatar
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
The admin formerly known as Scott
Posts: 5765
Joined: January 20th, 2007, 6:24 pm
Favorite Philosopher: Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
Contact:

Re: What do you think about this quote?

Post by Eckhart Aurelius Hughes »

Sy Borg, it appears you moved this topic from the Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute by Jeff Meyer Discussion Forum to the off-topic section and locked it. Is that right? If so, why?

For reference, the quote in the OP is from the book Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute, so I am not sure why the topic was removed from that forum and put in the off-topic section.

Also, why is the topic locked?
My entire political philosophy summed up in one tweet.

"The mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master."

I believe spiritual freedom (a.k.a. self-discipline) manifests as bravery, confidence, grace, honesty, love, and inner peace.
User avatar
Sy Borg
Site Admin
Posts: 14992
Joined: December 16th, 2013, 9:05 pm

Re: What do you think about this quote?

Post by Sy Borg »

Sorry Scott. My mistake. I was so flooded with the Heathcare book spam that I became confused. Unlocked now.
User avatar
TryingMyBest
Posts: 47
Joined: November 29th, 2018, 4:34 pm

Re: What do you think about this quote?

Post by TryingMyBest »

My point of reference?! No way. Jesus’ theories don’t account for me; or Hegel, for that matter. I accept his good ideas and reject the bad ones. More like an example of a person with absolute commitment and dedication some particular set of values. His followers who continue to behave in confused and careless ways don’t give me peace of mind at all, quite the opposite actually.

I am real, today, here and now. Like, why not love someone who is here on Earth waiting to be acknowledged? Quietly, praying in secret, to a supposed-deity who was killed thousands of years ago helps real people how exactly?
Invite a lonely person to the movies: that’d do more good than 100 prayers.

I exist. Religious people are in denial about the sacred beauty of my existence and their own existence… or they wouldn’t be looking to mythological explanations for their daily distresses. Seriously, invite someone to a movie.
User avatar
Thomyum2
Posts: 366
Joined: June 10th, 2019, 4:21 pm
Favorite Philosopher: Robert Pirsig + William James

Re: What do you think about this quote?

Post by Thomyum2 »

Sy Borg wrote: June 6th, 2021, 4:15 pm Sorry Scott. My mistake. I was so flooded with the Heathcare book spam that I became confused. Unlocked now.
I've noticed this - what's going on here? All of these new trial users posting about this healthcare book as their very first thread. Why the sudden influx into a philosophy forum just to discuss a book that really isn't philosophy related? This just seems really fishy to me. Strange things that happen on the internet these days...
“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.”
— Epictetus
User avatar
Sy Borg
Site Admin
Posts: 14992
Joined: December 16th, 2013, 9:05 pm

Re: What do you think about this quote?

Post by Sy Borg »

Thomyum2 wrote: June 7th, 2021, 11:58 am
Sy Borg wrote: June 6th, 2021, 4:15 pm Sorry Scott. My mistake. I was so flooded with the Heathcare book spam that I became confused. Unlocked now.
I've noticed this - what's going on here? All of these new trial users posting about this healthcare book as their very first thread. Why the sudden influx into a philosophy forum just to discuss a book that really isn't philosophy related? This just seems really fishy to me. Strange things that happen on the internet these days...
I agree, Thom. I assumed that we were being spam-bombed. It's not usual to have a flood of new members talking up a non-philosophy related product on the forum. Not ones that survive the Mad Banner from Straya, anyway :)
User avatar
Thomyum2
Posts: 366
Joined: June 10th, 2019, 4:21 pm
Favorite Philosopher: Robert Pirsig + William James

Re: What do you think about this quote?

Post by Thomyum2 »

Sy Borg wrote: June 7th, 2021, 5:26 pm
Thomyum2 wrote: June 7th, 2021, 11:58 am
Sy Borg wrote: June 6th, 2021, 4:15 pm Sorry Scott. My mistake. I was so flooded with the Heathcare book spam that I became confused. Unlocked now.
I've noticed this - what's going on here? All of these new trial users posting about this healthcare book as their very first thread. Why the sudden influx into a philosophy forum just to discuss a book that really isn't philosophy related? This just seems really fishy to me. Strange things that happen on the internet these days...
I agree, Thom. I assumed that we were being spam-bombed. It's not usual to have a flood of new members talking up a non-philosophy related product on the forum. Not ones that survive the Mad Banner from Straya, anyway :)
Have you noticed the similarities in many of the user names and in the styles of the comments in the posts? Sort of suggests to me that these might all be the same individual. I’ve seen this happen on other forums. Very odd. Not sure I understand what the motivation is.
“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.”
— Epictetus
User avatar
Sy Borg
Site Admin
Posts: 14992
Joined: December 16th, 2013, 9:05 pm

Re: What do you think about this quote?

Post by Sy Borg »

Thomyum2 wrote: June 7th, 2021, 6:44 pm
Sy Borg wrote: June 7th, 2021, 5:26 pm
Thomyum2 wrote: June 7th, 2021, 11:58 am
Sy Borg wrote: June 6th, 2021, 4:15 pm Sorry Scott. My mistake. I was so flooded with the Heathcare book spam that I became confused. Unlocked now.
I've noticed this - what's going on here? All of these new trial users posting about this healthcare book as their very first thread. Why the sudden influx into a philosophy forum just to discuss a book that really isn't philosophy related? This just seems really fishy to me. Strange things that happen on the internet these days...
I agree, Thom. I assumed that we were being spam-bombed. It's not usual to have a flood of new members talking up a non-philosophy related product on the forum. Not ones that survive the Mad Banner from Straya, anyway :)
Have you noticed the similarities in many of the user names and in the styles of the comments in the posts? Sort of suggests to me that these might all be the same individual. I’ve seen this happen on other forums. Very odd. Not sure I understand what the motivation is.
Yes, that's why assumed it was a spam bombing. I've not seen a legitimate case where numerous profiles with commercial email addresses come to a forum to praise a particular product to the high heaven. Maybe the author paid for sponsorship?
User avatar
LuckyR
Moderator
Posts: 7932
Joined: January 18th, 2015, 1:16 am

Re: What do you think about this quote?

Post by LuckyR »

Sy Borg wrote: June 7th, 2021, 6:53 pm
Thomyum2 wrote: June 7th, 2021, 6:44 pm
Sy Borg wrote: June 7th, 2021, 5:26 pm
Thomyum2 wrote: June 7th, 2021, 11:58 am

I've noticed this - what's going on here? All of these new trial users posting about this healthcare book as their very first thread. Why the sudden influx into a philosophy forum just to discuss a book that really isn't philosophy related? This just seems really fishy to me. Strange things that happen on the internet these days...
I agree, Thom. I assumed that we were being spam-bombed. It's not usual to have a flood of new members talking up a non-philosophy related product on the forum. Not ones that survive the Mad Banner from Straya, anyway :)
Have you noticed the similarities in many of the user names and in the styles of the comments in the posts? Sort of suggests to me that these might all be the same individual. I’ve seen this happen on other forums. Very odd. Not sure I understand what the motivation is.
Yes, that's why assumed it was a spam bombing. I've not seen a legitimate case where numerous profiles with commercial email addresses come to a forum to praise a particular product to the high heaven. Maybe the author paid for sponsorship?
Best case scenario it is legit folks from a book review site.
"As usual... it depends."
User avatar
Sy Borg
Site Admin
Posts: 14992
Joined: December 16th, 2013, 9:05 pm

Re: What do you think about this quote?

Post by Sy Borg »

LuckyR wrote: June 8th, 2021, 2:17 am
Sy Borg wrote: June 7th, 2021, 6:53 pm
Thomyum2 wrote: June 7th, 2021, 6:44 pm
Sy Borg wrote: June 7th, 2021, 5:26 pm

I agree, Thom. I assumed that we were being spam-bombed. It's not usual to have a flood of new members talking up a non-philosophy related product on the forum. Not ones that survive the Mad Banner from Straya, anyway :)
Have you noticed the similarities in many of the user names and in the styles of the comments in the posts? Sort of suggests to me that these might all be the same individual. I’ve seen this happen on other forums. Very odd. Not sure I understand what the motivation is.
Yes, that's why assumed it was a spam bombing. I've not seen a legitimate case where numerous profiles with commercial email addresses come to a forum to praise a particular product to the high heaven. Maybe the author paid for sponsorship?
Best case scenario it is legit folks from a book review site.
They sure are asking for approval to start a lot of new threads. I'm not optimistic. Consider all this in context with the human capacity to find loopholes that may follow the letter of the law while circumventing the spirit of the law. There's a lot of material that's not meant for readers, but search engines.
User avatar
LuckyR
Moderator
Posts: 7932
Joined: January 18th, 2015, 1:16 am

Re: What do you think about this quote?

Post by LuckyR »

Sy Borg wrote: June 9th, 2021, 11:19 pm
LuckyR wrote: June 8th, 2021, 2:17 am
Sy Borg wrote: June 7th, 2021, 6:53 pm
Thomyum2 wrote: June 7th, 2021, 6:44 pm

Have you noticed the similarities in many of the user names and in the styles of the comments in the posts? Sort of suggests to me that these might all be the same individual. I’ve seen this happen on other forums. Very odd. Not sure I understand what the motivation is.
Yes, that's why assumed it was a spam bombing. I've not seen a legitimate case where numerous profiles with commercial email addresses come to a forum to praise a particular product to the high heaven. Maybe the author paid for sponsorship?
Best case scenario it is legit folks from a book review site.
They sure are asking for approval to start a lot of new threads. I'm not optimistic. Consider all this in context with the human capacity to find loopholes that may follow the letter of the law while circumventing the spirit of the law. There's a lot of material that's not meant for readers, but search engines.
Ah so. That doesn't suprise me, remember I said BEST case scenario.
"As usual... it depends."
Post Reply

Return to “Philosophers' Lounge”

2023/2024 Philosophy Books of the Month

Entanglement - Quantum and Otherwise

Entanglement - Quantum and Otherwise
by John K Danenbarger
January 2023

Mark Victor Hansen, Relentless: Wisdom Behind the Incomparable Chicken Soup for the Soul

Mark Victor Hansen, Relentless: Wisdom Behind the Incomparable Chicken Soup for the Soul
by Mitzi Perdue
February 2023

Rediscovering the Wisdom of Human Nature: How Civilization Destroys Happiness

Rediscovering the Wisdom of Human Nature: How Civilization Destroys Happiness
by Chet Shupe
March 2023

The Unfakeable Code®

The Unfakeable Code®
by Tony Jeton Selimi
April 2023

The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are

The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are
by Alan Watts
May 2023

Killing Abel

Killing Abel
by Michael Tieman
June 2023

Reconfigurement: Reconfiguring Your Life at Any Stage and Planning Ahead

Reconfigurement: Reconfiguring Your Life at Any Stage and Planning Ahead
by E. Alan Fleischauer
July 2023

First Survivor: The Impossible Childhood Cancer Breakthrough

First Survivor: The Impossible Childhood Cancer Breakthrough
by Mark Unger
August 2023

Predictably Irrational

Predictably Irrational
by Dan Ariely
September 2023

Artwords

Artwords
by Beatriz M. Robles
November 2023

Fireproof Happiness: Extinguishing Anxiety & Igniting Hope

Fireproof Happiness: Extinguishing Anxiety & Igniting Hope
by Dr. Randy Ross
December 2023

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes
by Ali Master
February 2024

2022 Philosophy Books of the Month

Emotional Intelligence At Work

Emotional Intelligence At Work
by Richard M Contino & Penelope J Holt
January 2022

Free Will, Do You Have It?

Free Will, Do You Have It?
by Albertus Kral
February 2022

My Enemy in Vietnam

My Enemy in Vietnam
by Billy Springer
March 2022

2X2 on the Ark

2X2 on the Ark
by Mary J Giuffra, PhD
April 2022

The Maestro Monologue

The Maestro Monologue
by Rob White
May 2022

What Makes America Great

What Makes America Great
by Bob Dowell
June 2022

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!
by Jerry Durr
July 2022

Living in Color

Living in Color
by Mike Murphy
August 2022 (tentative)

The Not So Great American Novel

The Not So Great American Novel
by James E Doucette
September 2022

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches
by John N. (Jake) Ferris
October 2022

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All
by Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
November 2022

The Smartest Person in the Room: The Root Cause and New Solution for Cybersecurity

The Smartest Person in the Room
by Christian Espinosa
December 2022

2021 Philosophy Books of the Month

The Biblical Clock: The Untold Secrets Linking the Universe and Humanity with God's Plan

The Biblical Clock
by Daniel Friedmann
March 2021

Wilderness Cry: A Scientific and Philosophical Approach to Understanding God and the Universe

Wilderness Cry
by Dr. Hilary L Hunt M.D.
April 2021

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute
by Jeff Meyer
May 2021

Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power

Surviving the Business of Healthcare
by Barbara Galutia Regis M.S. PA-C
June 2021

Winning the War on Cancer: The Epic Journey Towards a Natural Cure

Winning the War on Cancer
by Sylvie Beljanski
July 2021

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream
by Dr Frank L Douglas
August 2021

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts
by Mark L. Wdowiak
September 2021

The Preppers Medical Handbook

The Preppers Medical Handbook
by Dr. William W Forgey M.D.
October 2021

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress: A Practical Guide

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress
by Dr. Gustavo Kinrys, MD
November 2021

Dream For Peace: An Ambassador Memoir

Dream For Peace
by Dr. Ghoulem Berrah
December 2021