Sy Borg wrote:RJG, you are claiming that you are being cancelled. This is a blatant lie because you and your thread are here. I moved the thread to the proper place after a (valid) complaint was received.
I seriously doubt it was "valid".
Look Sy, my OP is nothing more than a simple exercise in logic where I use 5 facts from science to draw 2 logical conclusions. Nothing more!
If you think I've made an error listing any of the 5 facts of science, then point it out and let's correct it. My interest is in drawing logical conclusions from the facts of science.
If you think that I made a logic error in deriving my 2 conclusions, then please (specifically) point out the error in logic. I don't mind being proven wrong, but you gotta use logic, not insults, to show the error. (Much like in math, it takes math to show an error in math)
Sy Borg wrote:You display zero understanding of biology.
Biology is not involved in drawing logical conclusions.
Sy Borg wrote:Your claims about virus mutations are wrong…
What claim? Be specific. Are you talking about one of the 5 science facts or one of my 2 conclusions?
Sy Borg wrote:...viruses that become more dangerous make themselves extinct. That is why viruses tend to mutate to a cold or flu, because they maximises transmission. That is why there are many cold and flu viruses doing roughly the same thing; that's the steady state. Don't speak about biology unless you have spent the time to understand it, which you clearly have not done. Just one more 8Chan Viral Specialist.
Again, be specific, which premise/conclusion statement are you talking about?
Sy Borg wrote:Further, your desire for "herd immunity" ignores the situation of ICU staff, which you false claim is a "red herring". ICUs are exactly the reason why achieving herd immunity is being paced rather than rushed, as the latter would create carnage. You may think that the breakdown of the hospital system doesn't matter - after all, once hundreds of thousands die, what's a few thousand more, right?
You, and many others, seem to under the very FALSE impression that implementing herd immunity will cause lots of deaths/hospitalizations. Remember, only immune people participate in achieving herd immunity, and immune people, in general, don't die or need hospitalization if they get infected.
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Sculptor1 wrote:Eventually we will achive herd immunity...
And exactly HOW do we achieve herd immunity? What is the mechanism that makes this happen?
Sculptor1 wrote:This aim will be achived more quickly with vaccinations.
Keep going. Please elaborate. How do vaccinations get us herd immunity? Please think this all the way through!
Sculpt, it is logically impossible to achieve herd immunity, if we keep our healthy immune people hidden (masked and socially distanced) away from the virus.
Scultptor1 wrote:But we can also preserve the lives of vulnerable people in the meantime with hands, face, space precautions.
Yes, good idea. Also we can insist that these vulnerable people mask up, stay away from potentially contaminated areas, and take vaccines.
Sculptor1 wrote:
There are two route to go down
1 your idea of removing all protections
Huh? "remove all protections" ...what dos this mean? Implementing herd immunity only ADDS protection!
Sculptor1 wrote:2 continuing to achieve herd immunity more slowly
Please finish your thinking on this. HOW do we achieve herd immunity more slowly?
Scuptor1 wrote:1. This will cause the health services to crash from too many cases. They are already at breaking point on many places. Your plan would double the death rate and impose long term illness for millions.
It appears that you have also be fed FALSE propaganda about herd immunity. For who are all these people that are dying and crashing our health services?? Immune people are the ONLY ones that participate in achieving herd immunity, and they, in general don't die or need hospitalization when infected.
Sculptor1 wrote:2. By careful use of precautions the time line is extended so that more people can be treated and their lives preserved. Herd immunity is achieved with fewer death and fewer insances of long term illness.
Again, how is herd immunity achieved? ...just saying it is achieved by vaccinations doesn't cut it, exactly how does that mechanism work?
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Dear Sy Borg and Sculptor1 -- It seems the disconnect in our views is based on the facts that you do not understand the mechanism of herd immunity and that you have been falsely indoctrinated to believe that implementing herd immunity will lead to massive deaths and hospitalizations.
To better understand the mechanism of how herd immunity, review the famous "MOSQUITO ANALOGY". Contrary to Bad Science, healthy immune people do not die or need hospitalization when exposed to the virus, but they bring SIGNIFICANT safety to vulnerable people. Keeping healthy immune people masked up only allows the virus to continue to perpetuate (via mutations).