Language and patience

Chat about anything your heart desires here, just be civil. Factual or scientific questions about philosophy go here (e.g. "When was Socrates born?"), and so most homework help questions belong here. Note, posts in the off-topic section will not increase new members post counts. This includes the introductions and feedback sections.
Post Reply
butimfeeling2022
Posts: 64
Joined: February 18th, 2022, 5:46 pm

Language and patience

Post by butimfeeling2022 »

Hi all,

When language makes sense,

people are having fun with language,

and what they are saying is somewhere around there and not exact,

most understand what is being said,

some don’t and think about what they heard again, or stop bothering themselves with what they heard,

and out of all the impatient ones,

fewer get offended openly, as most impatient ones find out something about themselves on their own…and start being patient, which is fun for all…in a way that makes common sense for all

…or do you think otherwise…?

When language is exact,

to the ones who don’t like what has been said,

language seems cold,

and to the ones who regardless of whether they like what has been said or not, it is still fair,

language seems cool

…or do you think otherwise…?

Out of all the words in language, patience is that last word to fail, because when the word patience fails…

for the ones whose patience fails predictably, that is because of something they are doing that they shouldn’t be doing…

for the ones whose patience fails unpredictably, that is because of something they are not doing that they have to do…regardless of which idiot gets offended…

and for the ones whose patience fails predictably all the time, that is because they are being an idiot…

…or does it seem to you otherwise…?
User avatar
Shurpanaka
New Trial Member
Posts: 0
Joined: March 23rd, 2022, 2:43 pm

Re: Language and patience

Post by Shurpanaka »

In my mind's voice, your words have an almost lyrical quality that inspires patience within me, however much I understand or do not, or however much I agree or do not. And a desire to express myself eclipses my misgivings and nervousness. I find myself in agreement with your ideas.

It has always been a challenge for humans to be patient, for language may speak of it, but it is harder to act with.

Are the patient ones simply those who have been taught or have learned to stifle resentment in the face of frustration, or are they those who have stifled frustration itself? Or something else entirely?

Does true patience even exist, or is it only a superficial phenomenon in others' exteriors? Or something else entirely?

When language makes sense, patience becomes more agreeable to everyone, even if they do not accept it entirely or immediately.

When language is exact, patience might fail in the face of offence in one, while in another, patience might prevail and lead them to instead look for the truth in the cold-sounding words.

Patience may exist in any condition, and likewise for impatience. For some, patience will only exist where language makes the utmost sense, and in no other condition. For some, it may be unable to exist except when language is used in the most exact, precise way. For still others, patience will fail them again and again. And then there are those that maintain their patience.

Those who are impatient are discontent with the speed at which the world progresses.

For some, impatience will arise even with the usage of language itself. The time that it takes to speak or to write becomes too much for those individuals, in their haste to move on to other things.

Those that maintain their patience are content with the speed at which time is elapsing.

Language allows us to express ourselves, both in times of patience and impatience. When language fails, patience fails. And patience is the last word in language to fail.
butimfeeling2022
Posts: 64
Joined: February 18th, 2022, 5:46 pm

Re: Language and patience

Post by butimfeeling2022 »

Shurpanaka wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 3:33 pm In my mind's voice, your words have an almost lyrical quality that inspires patience within me, however much I understand or do not, or however much I agree or do not. And a desire to express myself eclipses my misgivings and nervousness. I find myself in agreement with your ideas.

It has always been a challenge for humans to be patient, for language may speak of it, but it is harder to act with.
When one imagines something, something else is happening around one, or else it doesn't seem to me where inside one really imagines something.

What does the above mean here and now?

For me it means that I have to wait and see when I am talking to someone whether I understand them, and whether they understand what I am saying to them, for the dialogue to make sense for both of us.
Shurpanaka wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 3:33 pm Are the patient ones simply those who have been taught or have learned to stifle resentment in the face of frustration, or are they those who have stifled frustration itself? Or something else entirely?
Generally
When one doesn't know what one is doing, one learns that the moment one does it, or else it doesn't seem to me that there is a moment in time for one to learn it.

When one think one knows what one is doing now, one thinks that one learns that before the moment one does it, or else it doesn't seem to me that one knows something else from the ones who don't know what they are doing now.

When one knows what one is doing now, one does it now as one knows and one keeps waiting to learn, or else it doesn't seem to me that one knows to wait to learn.

Specifically
When I am waiting to learn something, the time I spend is relative for me, or if you really think otherwise...
When I am waiting to learn something, the time I spend is specific for me, but if you think this is what really happens to me...
If in the end, when I am waiting to learn something, the time I spend is specific for me, then it doesn't seem to me that I have to wait for something...does it really seem to you?

When I am in a hurry to learn something, the time I spend is specific for me, or if you really think otherwise...
When I am in a hurry to learn something, the time I spend is relative for me, but if you think this is what really happens to me...
If in the end, when I am in a hurry to learn something, the time I spend is relative for me, then it doesn't seem to me that I know how much in a hurry I am...does it really seem to you?

When I am in a bit of a hurry to learn something, I keep waiting to learn something, or if you really think otherwise...
When I am in a bit of a hurry to learn something, I don't keep waiting to learn something, but if you think this is what really happens to me...
If in the end, when I am in a bit of a hurry to learn something, I don't keep waiting to learn something, the it doesn't seem to me that I know when I am in a big hurry to learn something...does it really seem to you?

When I am in a big hurry to learn something, I don't know what I have to do, or if you really think otherwise...
When I am in a big hurry to learn something, I know what I have to do, but if you think this is what really happens to me...
If in the end, when I am in a big hurry to learn something, I know what I have to do, then it doesn't seem to me I am in a big hurry to learn what I have to do...does it really seem to you?

When I learned something, after that I don't have to keep waiting for something else, and I know what I have to do, or if you really think otherwise...
When I learned something, after that I have to keep waiting for something else, or I don't know what I have to do, but if you think this is what really happens to me...
If in the end, when I learned something, after that I have to keep waiting for something else, or I don't know what I have to do, then it doesn't seem to me that I what I learned...does it really seem to you?


Shurpanaka wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 3:33 pm Does true patience even exist, or is it only a superficial phenomenon in others' exteriors? Or something else entirely?
You need patience to have fun in life. Why?
You need patience to find out why. Why again?!
Because you find this out in a funny way!
Sometimes, it is more fun than what you can handle at that moment in your life.
Sometimes, it is less fun than what you want at that moment in your life, but...
...when you are having a good time, then it is just the right amount of fun...
...And to find those times, I am afraid it comes back to the beginning...
...you need patience to have fun in life.

Shurpanaka wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 3:33 pm When language makes sense, patience becomes more agreeable to everyone, even if they do not accept it entirely or immediately.
When people in a group are making sense together, they wait to make sense together later. Why?
Cause it's fun for people in a group to make sense together, over and over in time...
...and that doesn't happen by doing things faster over and over and over, or slower over and over and over...
...there is a pace that life lives together in reality.

Shurpanaka wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 3:33 pm When language is exact, patience might fail in the face of offence in one, while in another, patience might prevail and lead them to instead look for the truth in the cold-sounding words.
When language is exact, cold-sounding words point to cool emotions now and later, or else
When language is exact, cold-sounding words don't point to cool emotions now or later, but...
If in the end, when language is exact, cold-sounding words don't point to cool emotions now or later, then it doesn't seem to me that language is really any fun now or later, if one really wants to be exact with language now and later...does it seem to you?

Shurpanaka wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 3:33 pm Patience may exist in any condition, and likewise for impatience. For some, patience will only exist where language makes the utmost sense, and in no other condition. For some, it may be unable to exist except when language is used in the most exact, precise way. For still others, patience will fail them again and again. And then there are those that maintain their patience.
Language bridges the way from what you imagine that you want to do, to what you can do in reality, by helping you find what you have to do in reality, if you follow the way that makes sense to you to follow in reality and not in your imagination only.

Doing that in reality requires patience, in order for you to observe reality, follow your senses, and find out how your imagination can follow reality.

Imagine whatever you like in reality, reality has already solved the problem of any living being imagining freely and is able to keep them alive by making their emotions point to reality, where all the fun really is regardless what they imagine, over and over and over in reality.

The living beings who understand the above and are patient, understand that without reality, they couldn't imagine how they could really have fun, and don't spend more time and effort than they really have to with the ones who don't. Why?

Cause do they really have to?
Shurpanaka wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 3:33 pm Those who are impatient are discontent with the speed at which the world progresses.
Those who are impatient are discontent with the speed at which the world progresses, for them specifically
Those who are impatient are discontent with the speed at which the world progresses, for all...
...well those have to think for more than themselves and that requires more patience than thinking just for yourself...
...as what makes sense for all makes sense over and over in time, in reality, not just in ones imagination.
Shurpanaka wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 3:33 pm For some, impatience will arise even with the usage of language itself. The time that it takes to speak or to write becomes too much for those individuals, in their haste to move on to other things.
Language can set the pace that we do things when we are coordinating our actions in a group.
When impatience arises just with the usage of language, those words don't make sense to happen over and over, if we really want to do something together.
That can happen either because one is not patient with reality, or because one is simply testing others patience in reality, rather than trying to make sense.
Shurpanaka wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 3:33 pm Those that maintain their patience are content with the speed at which time is elapsing.
That depends on whether what they are doing makes sense in reality.

If what they do makes sense to happen over and over in reality, for that over and over they are content.

If what they do doesn't sense to happen over and over in reality, them saying that they are being patient in reality is lying to others, and this is what they are content about. Whether others find this out depends on others making sense of reality or not over and over...but

If over and over others don't make sense of reality, and they are lying to others, claiming that they are content because they are making sense in reality, well reality couldn't make anything more for them than let them freely follow their senses and make sense of reality or not, in a funny way for them. Why?

Because one trying to make sense of reality in a not fun way for one, doesn't seem to understand that reality had to solve that problem before that one was made, and leave that one completely free to make sense or not in a fun way for one, or else it wouldn't really be funny for one, would it really?
Shurpanaka wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 3:33 pm Language allows us to express ourselves, both in times of patience and impatience. When language fails, patience fails. And patience is the last word in language to fail.
Here's what story patience lead me to
butimfeeling2022
Posts: 64
Joined: February 18th, 2022, 5:46 pm

Re: Language and patience

Post by butimfeeling2022 »

Shurpanaka wrote: March 23rd, 2022, 3:33 pm Language allows us to express ourselves, both in times of patience and impatience. When language fails, patience fails. And patience is the last word in language to fail.

with the correct link...(as I wasn't patient the first time to send it right:) )
Here's what story patience lead me to
Post Reply

Return to “Philosophers' Lounge”

2023/2024 Philosophy Books of the Month

Entanglement - Quantum and Otherwise

Entanglement - Quantum and Otherwise
by John K Danenbarger
January 2023

Mark Victor Hansen, Relentless: Wisdom Behind the Incomparable Chicken Soup for the Soul

Mark Victor Hansen, Relentless: Wisdom Behind the Incomparable Chicken Soup for the Soul
by Mitzi Perdue
February 2023

Rediscovering the Wisdom of Human Nature: How Civilization Destroys Happiness

Rediscovering the Wisdom of Human Nature: How Civilization Destroys Happiness
by Chet Shupe
March 2023

The Unfakeable Code®

The Unfakeable Code®
by Tony Jeton Selimi
April 2023

The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are

The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are
by Alan Watts
May 2023

Killing Abel

Killing Abel
by Michael Tieman
June 2023

Reconfigurement: Reconfiguring Your Life at Any Stage and Planning Ahead

Reconfigurement: Reconfiguring Your Life at Any Stage and Planning Ahead
by E. Alan Fleischauer
July 2023

First Survivor: The Impossible Childhood Cancer Breakthrough

First Survivor: The Impossible Childhood Cancer Breakthrough
by Mark Unger
August 2023

Predictably Irrational

Predictably Irrational
by Dan Ariely
September 2023

Artwords

Artwords
by Beatriz M. Robles
November 2023

Fireproof Happiness: Extinguishing Anxiety & Igniting Hope

Fireproof Happiness: Extinguishing Anxiety & Igniting Hope
by Dr. Randy Ross
December 2023

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes
by Ali Master
February 2024

2022 Philosophy Books of the Month

Emotional Intelligence At Work

Emotional Intelligence At Work
by Richard M Contino & Penelope J Holt
January 2022

Free Will, Do You Have It?

Free Will, Do You Have It?
by Albertus Kral
February 2022

My Enemy in Vietnam

My Enemy in Vietnam
by Billy Springer
March 2022

2X2 on the Ark

2X2 on the Ark
by Mary J Giuffra, PhD
April 2022

The Maestro Monologue

The Maestro Monologue
by Rob White
May 2022

What Makes America Great

What Makes America Great
by Bob Dowell
June 2022

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!
by Jerry Durr
July 2022

Living in Color

Living in Color
by Mike Murphy
August 2022 (tentative)

The Not So Great American Novel

The Not So Great American Novel
by James E Doucette
September 2022

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches
by John N. (Jake) Ferris
October 2022

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All
by Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
November 2022

The Smartest Person in the Room: The Root Cause and New Solution for Cybersecurity

The Smartest Person in the Room
by Christian Espinosa
December 2022

2021 Philosophy Books of the Month

The Biblical Clock: The Untold Secrets Linking the Universe and Humanity with God's Plan

The Biblical Clock
by Daniel Friedmann
March 2021

Wilderness Cry: A Scientific and Philosophical Approach to Understanding God and the Universe

Wilderness Cry
by Dr. Hilary L Hunt M.D.
April 2021

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute
by Jeff Meyer
May 2021

Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power

Surviving the Business of Healthcare
by Barbara Galutia Regis M.S. PA-C
June 2021

Winning the War on Cancer: The Epic Journey Towards a Natural Cure

Winning the War on Cancer
by Sylvie Beljanski
July 2021

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream
by Dr Frank L Douglas
August 2021

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts
by Mark L. Wdowiak
September 2021

The Preppers Medical Handbook

The Preppers Medical Handbook
by Dr. William W Forgey M.D.
October 2021

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress: A Practical Guide

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress
by Dr. Gustavo Kinrys, MD
November 2021

Dream For Peace: An Ambassador Memoir

Dream For Peace
by Dr. Ghoulem Berrah
December 2021