The tit-for-tat trade between man and woman

[LuckyR]

Our tastes are so different (and mine so superior to yours) that I won't bother discussing them with you.

My taste is certainly more in line with biology. Why else does 90% of the world population think just like me, and not like you?

I will say that infatuation with virgins suggests a lack of virility and confidence. You like the idea of not being compared to other lovers.

The reason why virginity is so prized is otherwise simple economics.

At a price of zero, there are hundreds of men, if not thousands, who would jump on the opportunity to have sex with a woman. So, if the woman has a habit of giving it away for free, she will always have ample opportunity to do exactly that. By increasing the price for one sexual act to just $100, the number of male buyers already shrinks dramatically. If a woman has a long-standing habit of having sex with men who are not paying anything at all, why on earth would I pay for it, by providing for her? Seriously, what exactly stops her from handing it out for free again?

Taking a cheap ho seriously -- a worthless one, actually -- is simply a bad idea.

The value of a woman depends on how much she can get for sex. If she has always had to supply it for free, then she is effectively worth nothing.

You clearly have no use for "eros". Fine. By satisfying your corporeal pleasures and denying yourself the spiritual ones you are trading the superior for the inferior.

Men just want sexual tension relief. There is nothing spiritual to be had by dealing with a woman.

The same can be seen in your infatuation with money.

It is clearly women who are infatuated with money. I merely use money as a tool, to get them to spread their legs for me. The tool works fantastically well. So, why would I not use it?

"I just want sexual tension relief. In my opinion/experience there is nothing spiritual to be had by dealing with a woman, or at least a young, inexperienced, likely uneducated third world woman."

Fixed it for ya.

[Ecurb]

It is clearly women who are infatuated with money. I merely use money as a tool, to get them to spread their legs for me. The tool works fantastically well. So, why would I not use it?

"Fantastically well" sounds about right -- as in, it's a fantasy that it works well.

Sexual tension relief is no big thrill (as anyone who has masturbated knows). Exciting relationships are.

If "90% of the populations thinks like (you)" -- which I doubt -- it is because they are products of their sexist cultures. Biology has little to do with it.

[Count Lucanor]

Our tastes are so different (and mine so superior to yours) that I won't bother discussing them with you.

My taste is certainly more in line with biology. Why else does 90% of the world population think just like me, and not like you?

"I just want sexual tension relief. In my opinion/experience there is nothing spiritual to be had by dealing with a woman, or at least a young, inexperienced, likely uneducated third world woman."

Fixed it for ya.

If I may help with the translation, I don't think he meant 90% in relation to social disparities between countries. What he implies there might work in New York (ask Donald Trump or Prince Andrew) or New Delhi.

[heracleitos]

"I just want sexual tension relief. In my opinion/experience there is nothing spiritual to be had by dealing with a woman, or at least a young, inexperienced, likely uneducated third world woman."

Fixed it for ya.

Do you really believe that a man gets a full blown erection from ... spirituality?

The female at hand may be a "young, inexperienced, likely uneducated third world woman", but if she is hot like hell, I can guarantee to you that it will be erections galore.

That's the only thing that matters, because "no erection" means "not interested".

Male sexuality is extremely simple: Does he get a hard-on or not? If not, he doesn't want the woman nor any of her so-called "educated spirituality". Seriously, fu.ck that noise.

[3017Metaphysician]

I had a sexual relationship with a gal a few years back (who was enlisted in the military/was a lead singer in the military rock band) who told me that men and women can't be friends because it involves sex. At first, I was a bit taken back, but have since realized some truth to that.

Sex can get in the way. Hard to say that there's a true friendship if one or both are sizing each other up as potential sexual partners.

But I think there are friendships between men and women. Where that spark of sexual attraction isn't there. Sometimes between ex-partners - people who've been there, done that, moved on to other relationships, but with a genuine and lasting affection for each other as people.

Yes i agree with the latter. Good point. But to your first point, I often wonder though, if there was no need for passionate romance between the sexes, it would not make much sense... . Ideally, if one were to put logic to Love, to have a mind-body-spirit connection is the preference I think. Or at least a kind of friends and lovers idea. Some of this stuff is indeed Freudian, since we are attracted to each other for all sorts of other reasons... .

I guess the interesting questions relate to either/or.

[LuckyR]

"I just want sexual tension relief. In my opinion/experience there is nothing spiritual to be had by dealing with a woman, or at least a young, inexperienced, likely uneducated third world woman."

Fixed it for ya.

Do you really believe that a man gets a full blown erection from ... spirituality?

The female at hand may be a "young, inexperienced, likely uneducated third world woman", but if she is hot like hell, I can guarantee to you that it will be erections galore.

That's the only thing that matters, because "no erection" means "not interested".

Male sexuality is extremely simple: Does he get a hard-on or not? If not, he doesn't want the woman nor any of her so-called "educated spirituality". Seriously, fu.ck that noise.

You're missing my point. I acknowledge that you are an expert in you, you're just not a spokesperson for all men, let alone all women.

So continue to enlighten us on your take on this or that, just spare us the simplistic generalization that how you view the universe, is in fact universal.

[heracleitos]

You're missing my point. I acknowledge that you are an expert in you, you're just not a spokesperson for all men, let alone all women.

So continue to enlighten us on your take on this or that, just spare us the simplistic generalization that how you view the universe, is in fact universal.

Men will happily lie to women, and tell them what they want to hear, if that is helpful to get into their pants.

So, if a man tells you that "he is interested in your spirituality and education", he is just trying to schmooze his way into your underwear.

Women know that very well. If the white lie sounds good enough, she will pretend to believe it, and even go along with the circus. Women like that kind of theatre.

I'm usually more direct, because that works really well with local Asian women over here. Depending on what I want, I just make an offer to buy from her the full property rights on her box:

"I've got $xxxxx in my pocket. Take it or leave it."

The girl will usually first refer things to her family, but after that, she will almost always take the deal. Well, unless she expects someone else to make a better offer, but that is rarely the case.

It is an informal arrangement. Just a few witnesses who need to see that you give the girl her money. At that point, by paying "mahr" to the girl, the deal satisfies the requirements of the "niqah" framework in Islamic law.

The girl may say that she would want some kind of ceremony later on, but in my experience, she doesn't really care, because it tends to fall sideways. I've actually never done it. In my opinion, the ceremony is actually just smoke and mirrors. They use it to hide the fact that in reality it is about the cash.

Do I care about the girl's "spirituality" or "education"? No. What really matters, is the expectation that the girl will respect my exclusive property rights and stick to her end of the bargain. I have paid full price for that. So, now the box is mine.

I always buy exclusivity from the girl. Otherwise, it is not your girl. In that case, it is probably just your turn.

With women, I don't rent. I definitely prefer to buy. With real estate, it's exactly the other way around.

[Sy Borg]

Above is a world where all men and women are psychopaths or sociopaths, with moral people seen as only stooges. Social Darwinianism.

[heracleitos]

Above is a world where all men and women are psychopaths or sociopaths, with moral people seen as only stooges.

Men have lengthy conversations with other men, and women have them with other women. What's wrong with that?

Social Darwinianism.

As men, we only provide 50% of the genetic material for the next generation, if even. Mater certa est. Therefore, I wonder who exactly benefits the most from the system of sexual reproduction?

In fact, most men are merely being used as monogamous workhorses, supposed to be toiling on the plantation for an ungrateful woman, who according to the statistics gets to spend 85% of his money.

Furthermore, she will never show any appreciation. On the contrary, in the West, they even expect you to keep paying while she has long ago stopped providing the man with sexual tension relief. In her delusional world, she should be getting something for nothing, because "she deserves it!".

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."

As a man you can give her whatever she wants, it will never be enough, while she will try to get away with doing as little as possible, if even.

[Sy Borg]

Yes yes, more generalisations and lack of empathy.

[LuckyR]

You're missing my point. I acknowledge that you are an expert in you, you're just not a spokesperson for all men, let alone all women.

So continue to enlighten us on your take on this or that, just spare us the simplistic generalization that how you view the universe, is in fact universal.

Men will happily lie to women, and tell them what they want to hear, if that is helpful to get into their pants.

So, if a man tells you that "he is interested in your spirituality and education", he is just trying to schmooze his way into your underwear.

Women know that very well. If the white lie sounds good enough, she will pretend to believe it, and even go along with the circus. Women like that kind of theatre.

I'm usually more direct, because that works really well with local Asian women over here. Depending on what I want, I just make an offer to buy from her the full property rights on her box:

"I've got $xxxxx in my pocket. Take it or leave it."

The girl will usually first refer things to her family, but after that, she will almost always take the deal. Well, unless she expects someone else to make a better offer, but that is rarely the case.

It is an informal arrangement. Just a few witnesses who need to see that you give the girl her money. At that point, by paying "mahr" to the girl, the deal satisfies the requirements of the "niqah" framework in Islamic law.

The girl may say that she would want some kind of ceremony later on, but in my experience, she doesn't really care, because it tends to fall sideways. I've actually never done it. In my opinion, the ceremony is actually just smoke and mirrors. They use it to hide the fact that in reality it is about the cash.

Do I care about the girl's "spirituality" or "education"? No. What really matters, is the expectation that the girl will respect my exclusive property rights and stick to her end of the bargain. I have paid full price for that. So, now the box is mine.

I always buy exclusivity from the girl. Otherwise, it is not your girl. In that case, it is probably just your turn.

With women, I don't rent. I definitely prefer to buy. With real estate, it's exactly the other way around.

That is not an unusual perspective for those of a certain age. It obviously floats your boat, for now. Not much more to comment on really.

[heracleitos]

It obviously floats your boat, for now.

I love exploiting procedures, formalisms, and loopholes in legal systems. It is exhilarating! There is truly quite a bit of genius in Islamic law. Instead of having no rules, like in Christianity -- which obviously does not work -- it has an entire body of rules that you can employ to your advantage.

Well, Christianity actually does have rules, but Paul, the Heresiarch, abolished them. The rules are still mentioned in the Christian scripture, though. Go figure!