Why are people involved in killing each other in the name of God?

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Why are people involved in killing each other in the name of God?

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The original founders of the religions were Human Incarnations of the same God like Krishna, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha etc. Every religion says that their God alone created this entire earth or this entire humanity. Unfortunately, there is only one earth and this proves that there is only one God mentioned by all the religions. Since God is one and the same, there cannot be contradicting concepts between different religions. But we find some contradictions and people are divided based on these contradictions. This division leads to quarrels and finally people end up killing each other. These contradictions cannot be from God because there is only one God as said above. These contradictions were introduced into the religions only by some misinterpretations made by the followers, in the name of God. Hence, the killing is also being done in the name of God.

The Quran says that you should protect even followers of other religions and convey the message of Allah to him. It is left to him whether to follow the message or not. Hiranyakashipu worshipped Lord Shiva and his son Prahlada worshipped Lord Vishnu. Lord Vishnu killed Hiranyakashipu not because he worshipped Lord Shiva but because he tortured Prahlada to change his religion of worshipping Vishnu. Infact Shiva is Vishnu (Shivashcha Naarayanah—Veda). The conclusion of this is that God will punish you if you torture a devotee of any religion obstructing the freedom of his religion. Prahlada did not force his father to worship Vishnu. The same God exists in different forms in different religions. Hinduism is a mini-model of this unity in diversity that should exist in the universe as Universal Spirituality.
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dattaswami wrote: November 20th, 2022, 11:21 am The original founders of the religions were Human Incarnations of the same God like Krishna, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha etc. Every religion says that their God alone created this entire earth or this entire humanity. Unfortunately, there is only one earth and this proves that there is only one God mentioned by all the religions. Since God is one and the same, there cannot be contradicting concepts between different religions. But we find some contradictions and people are divided based on these contradictions. This division leads to quarrels and finally people end up killing each other. These contradictions cannot be from God because there is only one God as said above. These contradictions were introduced into the religions only by some misinterpretations made by the followers, in the name of God. Hence, the killing is also being done in the name of God.

The Quran says that you should protect even followers of other religions and convey the message of Allah to him. It is left to him whether to follow the message or not. Hiranyakashipu worshipped Lord Shiva and his son Prahlada worshipped Lord Vishnu. Lord Vishnu killed Hiranyakashipu not because he worshipped Lord Shiva but because he tortured Prahlada to change his religion of worshipping Vishnu. Infact Shiva is Vishnu (Shivashcha Naarayanah—Veda). The conclusion of this is that God will punish you if you torture a devotee of any religion obstructing the freedom of his religion. Prahlada did not force his father to worship Vishnu. The same God exists in different forms in different religions. Hinduism is a mini-model of this unity in diversity that should exist in the universe as Universal Spirituality.
People klll each other for any reason at all. Currently, they are doing so in Ukraine because they think a totally idiotic. former TV sitcom clown should run a country because for some totally ridiculous reason he was elected. That really says very little of merit for democracy, and it certainly doesn't justify killing people either, even if Putin shouldnt do it either, its not a justification.

That is to say, there is no moral justification for killing people, religious or otherwise, and it has nothing to do with any God that might exist, thats just another excuse to behave like morons. People want to behave like morons. Thats all there is to it.

Look at Trump saying he can declassify documents just by thinking it. Wanting to change reality by thinking it is appealing to five year olds. They usually grow out of it by second grade. But no, people still support Trump. They like supporting a President because he is like a five year old child. Thats what happens in democracies eventually, by all appearances, its inevitable.
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dattaswami wrote: November 20th, 2022, 11:21 am The original founders of the religions were Human Incarnations of the same God like Krishna, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha
No they were not - they were just very naughty boys.
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ernestm wrote: November 20th, 2022, 5:03 pm
People klll each other for any reason at all. Currently, they are doing so in Ukraine because they think a totally idiotic. former TV sitcom clown should run a country because for some totally ridiculous reason he was elected. That really says very little of merit for democracy, and it certainly doesn't justify killing people either, even if Putin shouldnt do it either, its not a justification.

That is to say, there is no moral justification for killing people, religious or otherwise, and it has nothing to do with any God that might exist, thats just another excuse to behave like morons. People want to behave like morons. Thats all there is to it.

Look at Trump saying he can declassify documents just by thinking it. Wanting to change reality by thinking it is appealing to five year olds. They usually grow out of it by second grade. But no, people still support Trump. They like supporting a President because he is like a five year old child. Thats what happens in democracies eventually, by all appearances, its inevitable.
The justice in this world is degrading day by day. People are after getting a easy money , fame and name etc. The fundamental thing is that people have no in-built fear about sinful deeds because most of them think that by doing sinful deeds no body is there to control them other than police and court, which can be bribed in most of the cases. Here the importance of God, existence of hell and heaven etc comes in to picture. The belief in existence of God will bring down the sins to a greater extent in the society. If that too were not there, this society would have been crumbled into pieces by far now.
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dattaswami wrote: November 23rd, 2022, 1:33 am
ernestm wrote: November 20th, 2022, 5:03 pm
People klll each other for any reason at all. Currently, they are doing so in Ukraine because they think a totally idiotic. former TV sitcom clown should run a country because for some totally ridiculous reason he was elected. That really says very little of merit for democracy, and it certainly doesn't justify killing people either, even if Putin shouldnt do it either, its not a justification.

That is to say, there is no moral justification for killing people, religious or otherwise, and it has nothing to do with any God that might exist, thats just another excuse to behave like morons. People want to behave like morons. Thats all there is to it.

Look at Trump saying he can declassify documents just by thinking it. Wanting to change reality by thinking it is appealing to five year olds. They usually grow out of it by second grade. But no, people still support Trump. They like supporting a President because he is like a five year old child. Thats what happens in democracies eventually, by all appearances, its inevitable.
The justice in this world is degrading day by day. People are after getting a easy money , fame and name etc. The fundamental thing is that people have no in-built fear about sinful deeds because most of them think that by doing sinful deeds no body is there to control them other than police and court, which can be bribed in most of the cases. Here the importance of God, existence of hell and heaven etc comes in to picture. The belief in existence of God will bring down the sins to a greater extent in the society. If that too were not there, this society would have been crumbled into pieces by far now.
So you believe that crime is rising and belief in gods is going down and one caused the other?
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dattaswami wrote: November 23rd, 2022, 1:33 am
ernestm wrote: November 20th, 2022, 5:03 pm
People klll each other for any reason at all. Currently, they are doing so in Ukraine because they think a totally idiotic. former TV sitcom clown should run a country because for some totally ridiculous reason he was elected. That really says very little of merit for democracy, and it certainly doesn't justify killing people either, even if Putin shouldnt do it either, its not a justification.

That is to say, there is no moral justification for killing people, religious or otherwise, and it has nothing to do with any God that might exist, thats just another excuse to behave like morons. People want to behave like morons. Thats all there is to it.

Look at Trump saying he can declassify documents just by thinking it. Wanting to change reality by thinking it is appealing to five year olds. They usually grow out of it by second grade. But no, people still support Trump. They like supporting a President because he is like a five year old child. Thats what happens in democracies eventually, by all appearances, its inevitable.
The justice in this world is degrading day by day. People are after getting a easy money , fame and name etc. The fundamental thing is that people have no in-built fear about sinful deeds because most of them think that by doing sinful deeds no body is there to control them other than police and court, which can be bribed in most of the cases. Here the importance of God, existence of hell and heaven etc comes in to picture. The belief in existence of God will bring down the sins to a greater extent in the society. If that too were not there, this society would have been crumbled into pieces by far now.
Well, philosophers should be above needing a reason to act virtuously, on the whole. One will still get some Machiavellian and Nietzsche fans, but the vast majority of philosophy strives for a better world for all )
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dattaswami wrote: November 20th, 2022, 11:21 am The Quran says that you should protect even followers of other religions and convey the message of Allah to him.
Sadly no it does not. It instructs believers to slaughter unbelievers, permits sex slaves, beat your wife etc.

You cant have the same God manifest in Christ and Mohammad unless you think God can violate the law of non-contradiction
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IF you have a killer and it avails him to appear religious where is the surprize ?
Take anybody whom you deem evil and religious...why would you think the religion to be more primal than the evil?

I do not doubt that there are 'religions' that do horrible things but I also don't excuse the person who chose that religion or who stays in it.

I am a Catholic so my bible and life worldview is LOGOS

I completely subscribe to Pope Benedict's statement:
" spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God", he says, "is not pleased by blood - and not acting reasonably (σὺν λόγω) is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death..."."
BTW after saying this , a nun was killed and the Pope received death threats.
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Religion is superstition. People go bananas over this ancient, midevil stuff. Walking under ladders, Friday 13th, broken mirrors, "God." There is no limit to human stupidity and will kill each other accordingly. To the Rosary-Rattlers who will attack this post - relax.
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JDBowden wrote: May 18th, 2023, 8:14 am Religion is superstition.
To you, it is superstition. To others, it is a firm belief in something beyond mere physicality. To still others, it provides a motivational direction they can choose to follow. And so on. Your contempt seems to imply (?) that you have no 'beliefs', but only knowledge. If this should be so, you are badly mistaken. [N.B. my final words apply only if you are a real and actual human being, living in the real world.]
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Pattern-chaser wrote: May 18th, 2023, 8:36 am
JDBowden wrote: May 18th, 2023, 8:14 am Religion is superstition.
To you, it is superstition. To others, it is a firm belief in something beyond mere physicality. To still others, it provides a motivational direction they can choose to follow. And so on. Your contempt seems to imply (?) that you have no 'beliefs', but only knowledge. If this should be so, you are badly mistaken. [N.B. my final words apply only if you are a real and actual human being, living in the real world.]
You appear to love to commenting after my comments. Oh boomer....
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I would say that are those "manipulated" people who do such things...There is NO religion that provides such things! All religions more or less promote love, forgiving, etc...
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ordinary29 wrote: June 13th, 2023, 3:05 pm I would say that are those "manipulated" people who do such things...There is NO religion that provides such things! All religions more or less promote love, forgiving, etc...
Well, it's true that folks who kill in the name of "loving" religions are manipulated. Though to be fair, everyone is subject to manipulation, especially those who subscribe to dogma.
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Why are people involved in killing each other in the name of God?

It is perfectly logical.
Why would it not be?
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ordinary29 wrote: June 13th, 2023, 3:05 pm I would say that are those "manipulated" people who do such things...There is NO religion that provides such things! All religions more or less promote love, forgiving, etc...
That is naive in the extreme.
Pretty much at random.....

Kings 1,2
33 Their blood shall therefore return upon the head of Joab, and upon the head of his seed for ever: but upon David, and upon his seed, and upon his house, and upon his throne, shall there be peace for ever from the LORD
34 So Benaiah the son of Jehoiada went up, and fell upon him, and slew him: and he was buried in his own house in the wilderness.
Romans 1
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Matthew
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Quuran Surah 4: (the quurn is pretty much all like this..
10 Lo! Those who devour the wealth of orphans wrongfully, they do but swallow fire into their bellies, and they will be exposed to burning flame.

46 Some of those who are Jews change words from their context and say: "We hear and disobey; hear thou as one who heareth not" and "Listen to us!" distorting with their tongues and slandering religion. If they had said: "We hear and we obey: hear thou, and look at us" it had been better for them, and more upright. But Allah hath cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save a few.
Surah 6
137 Thus have their (so-called) partners (of Allah) made the killing of their children to seem fair unto many of the idolaters, that they may ruin them and make their faith obscure for them. Had Allah willed (it otherwise), they had not done so. So leave them alone with their devices
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Nephi 17. Book of Morons.

41 And he did straiten them in the wilderness with his rod; for they hardened their hearts, even as ye have; and the Lord straitened them because of their iniquity. He sent fiery flying serpents among them; and after they were bitten he prepared a way that they might be healed; and the labor which they had to perform was to look; and because of the simpleness of the way, or the easiness of it, there were many who perished.

Lots more where that came from.
That's pretty much the 4 Abrahamic religions.

That's about 2.4 billion of the world's pop.
No wonder religion is at the heart of warfare.
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