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To edit one's posts.

Post by Belinda » February 3rd, 2015, 6:57 am

It has been pointed out to me that I seem to have the benefit of being allowed to edit my posts,which other members of philosophyclub cannot. If this is the case, May I suggest that everyone is enabled to edit posts?
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Post by Graeme M » March 27th, 2015, 4:25 pm

Ahhh! So THAT'S why I can't edit a post, it's disabled?

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Post by Greta » March 27th, 2015, 5:55 pm

Every time I make a fool of myself by writing accidental gibberish that I can't edit, I become a little more inclined to edit my writing more carefully. One day the message will sink in.
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Post by Philobot » April 21st, 2015, 3:40 am

I am a long time user. It is 2015 and the edit function is still a political issue. It is unbelievable if not simply ridiculous. Why must it be made such a difficult problem? It cannot be in the interest of the owner that users do stop (or are even not allowed to (!)) editing their posts because the edit function is not simply working without all the messing up and restrictions. It will leave the posts with typos and other erros which harms the overall readability of the forum.

It is a long known fact: People usually are how we treat them. When we treat them like little children, because *some* of them are, what will they become? What will become of little children when all their life they are treated like little children? They will never grow up.

As long as I can remember there have always been accusations of patronization in this forum. I agree but I always voiced the point that the owner has the right to be patronizing. That does not mean that the owner cannot be wrong. So this is not an accusation but a suggestion to abolish an unworthy politicum.

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Post by Scott » April 21st, 2015, 11:52 am

If someone believes he or she may still wish to edit a post, the person can select 'save as draft'. The 'submit' button is like sending the newspaper to the printers. It's for publication-ready writings.

While there is a great beauty to it, this site attracts a people with a culture of rebelliousness and argumentative contrariness. The nature of discussions also create great risk into collapsing into flame wars and personal attacks and angry off-topic rants, without moderation that is.

Moderators are already bogged down enough. There is simply neither the resources to determine which of the over 35 thousand registered members are going to abuse the edit function or not, nor the resources to react after a few members abuse the function, which happened in the past. Moderators and contributors are able to use the edit function, since they are providing the needed, valuable resources that make the site work for everyone.
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Post by Philobot » April 22nd, 2015, 3:00 am

Thanks for telling your reasons.

It is natural that with success your expectations have grown. However, as its owner you may forget at times that this is still an internet forum as much as I can see and thus a playground and sandpit for just about anyone who thinks he has to say something. It is not a publication service for serious philosophy papers or am I wrong? This would be another kind of website would it not?

I know that you strive for more gravity and earnestness in this forum. But I think it one of the strong points of an internet forum that it is not all gravity and earnestness. There is other institutions for that kind of service and we should not mix things up and leave it to them. Let us not make the internet an all serious place with rules and signs all over the place. There is much too much seriousness already in real life. Is there really no trace of waggishness in you Scott?

Thanks for putting up with my rebelliousness and argumentative contrariness.
The 'submit' button is like sending the newspaper to the printers. It's for publication-ready writings.
Well then if you feel like that you should probably deactivate the quick reply function in a hurry as well.
It smells of 'chat'. :shock:

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Post by Misty » April 22nd, 2015, 9:55 am

Hi Scott,

Perhaps if the preview button was at the top where the edit button used to be would encourage to preview thus edit would result?
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Post by Scott » April 22nd, 2015, 3:27 pm

Philobot,

There is quite a bit of waggishness in me as a person. But this is the kind of site--and I want it to be--where we have had numerous pedophiles come and try to make an argument that sex between adults and boys is morally good and laws against it are bad, where neo-nazis have come to argue for state-sponsored racial segregation, and where holocaust deniers and so-called conspiracy theorists have come to argue all sorts of unpopular ideas. For my part, I wouldn't say some of things I have said on these forums, namely involving my atheism, out in real life public for fear some religious nut would literally kill me in angry offense on the spot for my so-called blasphemy (even though for me I am just trying to enjoy debate mostly as a fun hobby with a waggish attitude). With discussions with such a conduciveness for such intensity and risk of offensiveness and collapsing from productive, respectful, open-minded debate into something much more petty, I don't think that as the administrator I can afford to be waggish in that position. I'm treated as a dictator drunk on power in these forums, and I totally understand that, but even understanding it I cannot help but smile at the drastic irony knowing about--as many here already also know about--my real life politics, which is that I am an anarchist.

You are right that this is not a publication service for serious philosophy papers, but I want it is much closer to that than to a typical internet forum. Really the only two thing I want to be different about this than a magazine of serious philosophy papers is for (1) this to be for back-and-forth debates and discussions rather the monologue-like nature of a typical philosophical paper and for (2) this to be open to anybody willing to follow the unique rules not just college educated philosophers who have or are getting degrees in philosophy.

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Misty wrote:Perhaps if the preview button was at the top where the edit button used to be would encourage to preview thus edit would result?
Misty, I am sorry; I don't understand what you mean.
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Post by Philobot » April 23rd, 2015, 9:44 am

Scott wrote: There is quite a bit of waggishness in me as a person.
I really am relieved to hear that :mrgreen:
...all sorts of unpopular ideas.
Naturally all kinds of people are attracted. You cannot be made accountable for those.
...that I am an anarchist.
I knew it! *hug*

Thanks for sharing. Keep up the good work!

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Post by Scott » April 23rd, 2015, 2:39 pm

Philobot, thank you.
...all sorts of unpopular ideas.
Naturally all kinds of people are attracted. You cannot be made accountable for those.
It's not just that they happen to be attracted. I am happy for this forum to be the kind of unique oasis in which a person can try to argue for unpopular, offensive or fundamentally new ideas. Or for that matter it can be a place where trolls can come and play devil's advocate to help the rest of us test and strengthen our philosophical reasoning about things on which we generally agree (like not letting pedophiles rape boys). I think that is really the aim of philosophy in general: to question that which in everyday life we take for granted and probably are wise to take for granted for practical purposes (like not hesitating in practice to physically stop pedophiles from raping boys).

My point is that in one sense the forum is extremely uncensored. However, especially due to the nature of debates and arguments that often question people's deeply held beliefs and emotional convictions, I think such a forum requires strict enforcement thorough moderation of the forum rules, which basically are just meant to prohibit personal attacks, ad hominems against other members, and other off-topic and derailing things.
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Post by Misty » April 24th, 2015, 9:04 am

It has never been clear to me why the edit button was taken down. It is like a pencil with no eraser. To be able to edit at will is better because a mistake is sometimes not noticed at the time of writing even if the edit button was available. I have reread posts that seemed right until I read it again at another time and discovered an error. It is embarrassing to not be able to correct oneself when an error is discovered. I think it has made the forum to have many errors that would have otherwise been corrected for smooth reading. I ask you Scott to please reinstate the original edit button for all.
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