Please reassure a sceptical New Member

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Roobaba
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Please reassure a sceptical New Member

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Hello! I have already introduced myself, so far without any response from anyone, forum members or regulars.. not that I was expecting a reply. So having checked out other online 'discussion forums' I was hoping for it here to be more friendly and welcoming, with more intelligent people than elsewhere. One question and answer website I found, The Answerbank seems to be a lively place with plenty of daily regulars contributing to make what could be a 'must visit' destination, however I found it spoilt by a group of shall we say 'less than average intelligence' contributors who insist on belittling anyone who disagrees with their misconceived ideas that they constantly repeat. I'd guess it puts many people off contributing. Anyway, I sign up here only today to find a thread on the Philosophy of Science forum (my most likely forum to read regularly and the one I would expect to find 'scientific rigour') entitled 'The Simple Science (and Logic) of Covid' by RJG (a member since 2012) trying to peddle misconceived ideas about viruses, specifically about the current Coronavirus global pandemic. Needless to say I cannot abide such foolish 'unintelligent' behaviour, so I for one will not be posting here, until I can be reassured that the 'stupid' people are called out for their misinformation, so as to not mislead others. It wasn't until a moderator (LuckyR) posted a knowledgeable reply that I was able to feel that sense had returned. Please tell me I am not wasting my time, and becoming needlessly frustrated with what I read here. I seek truth not lies and 'fake' misguided or misinformed replies!
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Roobaba wrote: January 6th, 2022, 9:07 am... I sign up here only today to find a thread on the Philosophy of Science forum (my most likely forum to read regularly and the one I would expect to find 'scientific rigour') entitled 'The Simple Science (and Logic) of Covid' by RJG (a member since 2012) trying to peddle misconceived ideas about viruses, specifically about the current Coronavirus global pandemic.
The thread can now be found in the Philosopher's Lounge because "Philosophy of science deals with the assumptions, foundations, and implications of science". It's for discussion of science and the scientific method, not hot button political issues that touch on science.

And yes, I think the thread's information is wrong too. If you are disappointed by the lack of opposition, it's because the thread creator has already started several threads on the topic and we know it's a lost cause to try to sway him. So some figure that replying is a waste of time. Annoying, but the alternative is heavy-handed moderating.

Forums will necessarily have a range of personalities. We can either ban those with whom we disagree or state an alternative case. Some philosophy forums jealously guard their quality control, ruthlessly weeding out those who are not considered "suitable". That can allow for more focused debates and fewer unsophisticated ones, as in universities, but at this forum the range of personalities is broad and the quality of debate more variable, ranging from the incomprehensibly academic to political back-and-forth, and everything in between.
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Roobaba wrote: January 6th, 2022, 9:07 am Hello! I have already introduced myself, so far without any response from anyone, forum members or regulars.. not that I was expecting a reply. So having checked out other online 'discussion forums' I was hoping for it here to be more friendly and welcoming, with more intelligent people than elsewhere. One question and answer website I found, The Answerbank seems to be a lively place with plenty of daily regulars contributing to make what could be a 'must visit' destination, however I found it spoilt by a group of shall we say 'less than average intelligence' contributors who insist on belittling anyone who disagrees with their misconceived ideas that they constantly repeat. I'd guess it puts many people off contributing. Anyway, I sign up here only today to find a thread on the Philosophy of Science forum (my most likely forum to read regularly and the one I would expect to find 'scientific rigour') entitled 'The Simple Science (and Logic) of Covid' by RJG (a member since 2012) trying to peddle misconceived ideas about viruses, specifically about the current Coronavirus global pandemic. Needless to say I cannot abide such foolish 'unintelligent' behaviour, so I for one will not be posting here, until I can be reassured that the 'stupid' people are called out for their misinformation, so as to not mislead others. It wasn't until a moderator (LuckyR) posted a knowledgeable reply that I was able to feel that sense had returned. Please tell me I am not wasting my time, and becoming needlessly frustrated with what I read here. I seek truth not lies and 'fake' misguided or misinformed replies!
Ok: you are not wasting your time, though that thread can cause needless frustration when read. There are a few one trick ponies, but they're very few. The majority of topics have a plurality of opinions and experiences voiced and I have personally broadened my viewpoint on certain topics based solely on well presented arguments and observations from Forum members. We all have areas we know well and those we are unfamiliar with.
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I would not sweat the lack of a reply to the new to the forum post, because a lot of people (myself included) never or almost never look at that sub-forum, and you won't be on the hot topics list either way. I would suggest that you post a topic on something that really interests you and see how it goes.

There are a select few that will turn everything back to their single issue, and they will fight any perceived attack on their bunker. It's pointless to try to follow along, and even more hopeless to try to sway them with facts or logic. But, there are a lot more people who are not that way, and some of them have a lot to say worth reading.

The mods are all among those who have taught me or pointed me to some interesting ideas in books or videos or whatever. It's easy to find a spot where we might think we would do something different, but I do think it is appropriate for a philosophy forum to allow people a lot of room. Call them on it when they are full of baloney, but don't pick and choose what ideas are appropriate for discussion.
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@Roobaba

Hello again,
I don't think that you should be put off by one thread. I am sure that there all kinds of ideas on Covid_19 and other health issues on the internet. A bigger problem would be if someone produced what appeared to be a serious research study with misleading information. I have read more controversial ideas about Covid_19 in published magazines than in the thread which you are talking about. Hopefully, when people are using a philosophy forum they have a certain amount of critical thinking skill to aid their interpretation of ideas and opinions.
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Roobaba wrote: January 6th, 2022, 9:07 am Hello! I have already introduced myself, so far without any response from anyone, forum members or regulars.. not that I was expecting a reply. So having checked out other online 'discussion forums' I was hoping for it here to be more friendly and welcoming, with more intelligent people than elsewhere. One question and answer website I found, The Answerbank seems to be a lively place with plenty of daily regulars contributing to make what could be a 'must visit' destination, however I found it spoilt by a group of shall we say 'less than average intelligence' contributors who insist on belittling anyone who disagrees with their misconceived ideas that they constantly repeat. I'd guess it puts many people off contributing. Anyway, I sign up here only today to find a thread on the Philosophy of Science forum (my most likely forum to read regularly and the one I would expect to find 'scientific rigour') entitled 'The Simple Science (and Logic) of Covid' by RJG (a member since 2012) trying to peddle misconceived ideas about viruses, specifically about the current Coronavirus global pandemic. Needless to say I cannot abide such foolish 'unintelligent' behaviour, so I for one will not be posting here, until I can be reassured that the 'stupid' people are called out for their misinformation, so as to not mislead others. It wasn't until a moderator (LuckyR) posted a knowledgeable reply that I was able to feel that sense had returned. Please tell me I am not wasting my time, and becoming needlessly frustrated with what I read here. I seek truth not lies and 'fake' misguided or misinformed replies!
I think the issue here is that RJG seems to have a limited set of premises and seems to lack the nuance of the reality of the impact of the pandemic.
He also seems careless of the consequnces of his suggestions, and is working with a limited goal in mind.
His goal is the speediest resolution to achieve "herd immunity" at all costs, without fully considering the massive increases on deaths that such a set of policies , asuch as he suggests, would cause, and if herd immunity were more important than human life.
My adivce would be to you to unpack this "logic" and challnege him on his limited viewpoint and offering him and more deep understanding of the consequences of his draconian solutions.
Not everyone is like him here.
But you cannot expect everyone on a Forum to comply with you own moral standards nor see their failings as easily as you can see them.
Having people like RJG helps the forum because he gives people something to argue against, as I think nearly everyone else on the Forum does. INterstingly enough he is also running a similar thread on "Philosophy Now" where he has collected some support - but this is based on political alignment and not logical argument. He has become a cheerleader for what is commonly called "covidits", and those that put personal freedom against the needs of the community for their own self interest.
It is simply a fact that some people think that their nuisence of mask wearing trumps the health of others. That is an opinion, a value position which cannot be argued against with logic.
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Roobaba
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Thanks for the replies and encouragement, I feel suitably reassured. Having checked out 'another philosophy forum' I think I now appreciate it here so much more. Being sensible is I guess what matters, along with as chewybrian says 'it is appropriate for a philosophy forum to allow people a lot of room.' The 'wacky philosophical wild west' here it is not, a warm feeling of 'intellectual safety' amongst thoughtful, considered and respectful individuals it most certainly is! I am so pleased to be here. :)
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