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Yes, Greta, dopamine, that's the transmitter (I think it's a transmitter not a hormone) I think I meant. I maintain that any biological correlate of a subjective experience does not devalue the subjective experience, if the subject finds value therein.

The subject of the experience interprets the peak experience just as all us subjects of experience interpret whatever qualia land upon us. Greta, by interpretation I refer to how the experience caused days of enlightened, feeling thinking. You have interpreted your peak experience in a reasonable way and have also communicated both the fact of your peak experience and your interpretation in a reasonable way.
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Belinda wrote:Greta, by interpretation I refer to how the experience caused days of enlightened, feeling thinking. You have interpreted your peak experience in a reasonable way and have also communicated both the fact of your peak experience and your interpretation in a reasonable way.
Belinda, I sometimes wonder if I've been too reasonable. Each time the PE stemmed from a moment of reverie, of giving myself rare permission to get carried away and from there I "fell" into the experiences.
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Greta wrote:
Belinda wrote:Greta, by interpretation I refer to how the experience caused days of enlightened, feeling thinking. You have interpreted your peak experience in a reasonable way and have also communicated both the fact of your peak experience and your interpretation in a reasonable way.
Belinda, I sometimes wonder if I've been too reasonable. Each time the PE stemmed from a moment of reverie, of giving myself rare permission to get carried away and from there I "fell" into the experiences.

But I mean that neither the biological correlate nor the occasion of the experience devalue the experience and your interpretation of it and its subsequent effect upon your thinking and feeling.

-- Updated Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:20 am to add the following --

When I was learning to do TM in the late seventies or early eighties, I read what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote about what he called "cosmic consciousness" . As I remember, the state of awareness that arose from correct meditation was a state of being aware that one was not separate from but was identical with the objects of consciousness. There was also such a state as pure consciousness which was objectless consciousness, so that subject and object were identical.

Very experienced meditators could switch to this state of awareness whenever they chose.

I am now asking Greta and others who have experienced peak awareness if this cosmic consciousness sort of thing describes their experiences. I think that perhaps if so, such a state of awareness might or might not enhance life , and this is worth finding out. Maharishi thought that if sufficient numbers of experienced and successful meditators (siddhis) came to live in a troubled area their peaceful influence would make the other people peaceful.

-- Updated Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:22 am to add the following --
Belinda wrote:
Greta wrote: (Nested quote removed.)

Belinda, I sometimes wonder if I've been too reasonable. Each time the PE stemmed from a moment of reverie, of giving myself rare permission to get carried away and from there I "fell" into the experiences.

But I mean that neither the biological correlate nor the occasion of the experience devalue the experience and your interpretation of it and its subsequent effect upon your thinking and feeling.

-- Updated Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:20 am to add the following --

When I was learning to do TM in the late seventies or early eighties, I read what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote about what he called "cosmic consciousness" . As I remember, the state of awareness that arose from correct meditation was a state of being aware that one was not separate from but was identical with the objects of consciousness. There was also such a state as pure consciousness which was objectless consciousness, so that subject and object were identical.

Very experienced meditators could switch to this state of awareness whenever they chose.

I am now asking Greta and others who have experienced peak awareness if this cosmic consciousness sort of thing describes their experiences. I think that perhaps if so, such a state of awareness might or might not enhance life , and this is worth finding out. Maharishi thought that if sufficient numbers of experienced and successful meditators (siddhis) came to live in a troubled area their peaceful influence would make the other people peaceful.

-- Updated Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:28 am to add the following --
Belinda wrote:
Greta wrote: (Nested quote removed.)

Belinda, I sometimes wonder if I've been too reasonable. Each time the PE stemmed from a moment of reverie, of giving myself rare permission to get carried away and from there I "fell" into the experiences.

But I mean that neither the biological correlate nor the occasion of the experience devalue the experience and your interpretation of it and its subsequent effect upon your thinking and feeling.

-- Updated Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:20 am to add the following --

When I was learning to do TM in the late seventies or early eighties, I read what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote about what he called "cosmic consciousness" . As I remember, the state of awareness that arose from correct meditation was a state of being aware that one was not separate from but was identical with the objects of consciousness. There was also such a state as pure consciousness which was objectless consciousness, so that subject and object were identical.

Very experienced meditators could switch to this state of awareness whenever they chose.

I am now asking Greta and others who have experienced peak awareness if this cosmic consciousness sort of thing describes their experiences. I think that perhaps if so, such a state of awareness might or might not enhance life , and this is worth finding out. Maharishi thought that if sufficient numbers of experienced and successful meditators (siddhis) came to live in a troubled area their peaceful influence would make the other people peaceful.

-- Updated Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:22 am to add the following --
Belinda wrote: (Nested quote removed.)



But I mean that neither the biological correlate nor the occasion of the experience devalue the experience and your interpretation of it and its subsequent effect upon your thinking and feeling.

-- Updated Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:20 am to add the following --

When I was learning to do TM in the late seventies or early eighties, I read what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi wrote about what he called "cosmic consciousness" . As I remember, the state of awareness that arose from correct meditation was a state of being aware that one was not separate from but was identical with the objects of consciousness. There was also such a state as pure consciousness which was objectless consciousness, so that subject and object were identical.

Very experienced meditators could switch to this state of awareness whenever they chose.

I am now asking Greta and others who have experienced peak awareness if this cosmic consciousness sort of thing describes their experiences. I think that perhaps if so, such a state of awareness might or might not enhance life , and this is worth finding out. Maharishi thought that if sufficient numbers of experienced and successful meditators (siddhis) came to live in a troubled area their peaceful influence would make the other people peaceful.
Greta wrote:
Each time the PE stemmed from a moment of reverie, of giving myself rare permission to get carried away and from there I "fell" into the experiences.
This is rather like what the mantra technique does, plus the repetition of the remembered sound of the mantra is accompanied by a disinterested and playful attitude. This playful attitude works for water divining too.
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