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Post by Felix » May 6th, 2018, 2:29 pm

"There is evidence that homosexuality is genetic, and therefore heritable."

There's actually a lot of evidence that indicates it can be epigenetic, a result of all the endogenous synthetic estrogens in our environment from plastics and other industrial pollutants.

"But the part I don't understand is how you equate behavior with identity so strongly."

Who is "you" in that sentence?

"I am a musician. Were I to move to a country where music is forbidden on religious grounds, I would be unhappy, but I would not be threatened existentially."

And if the punishment for being caught playing music was imprisonment or death, that wouldn't threaten you "existentially"?
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Post by Greta » May 6th, 2018, 4:33 pm

mattfara50 wrote:
May 6th, 2018, 7:25 am
Greta wrote:
May 6th, 2018, 3:14 am
Gay conversion therapy for starters.
Ironically, I think this might propagate homosexuality. There is evidence that homosexuality is genetic, and therefore heritable. If homosexuals do not procreate, then their genes cease to propagate. By encouraging homosexuals to procreate, one increases the homosexual gene pool. Gay conversion therapy would, at least biologically speaking, do quite the opposite of what you claim.
The "treatment" is ineffective and usually only causes damage. Homosexuality is apparently genetically based, but not necessarily inherited - if so, the human race would have disappeared long ago.

I am also a musician but to equate playing music with one of the most basic and fundamental drives is not in proportion.
mattfara50 wrote:Greta, I think we have improvised too liberally on an introductory post. Would you like to take this discussion into a new thread? What would you like to call it? And thank you very much for talking with me about this. Let me say that I think the LGBT community has suffered immensely, and I don't mean to discount that by questioning your beliefs. I could be utterly wrong about everything I believe in life generally, but the only way for me to find out is to argue my position until it is defeated.
Could we please speak about something else? Truth be told, I detest this subject matter. I wish the poor blighters could be left to get on with it like others.

Speaking as a celibate for, gosh, almost a decade (aside from a brief mistake with an Italian tour bus driver while holidaying in Europe in 2012 - but hey, I was on holidays), I have a far more clear view of sexuality and such rules of engagement than before. These people, variant through the way they are wired, just need to be left to live their lives like anyone else.

If you have more interesting positions, more related to broader aspects of reality than human rules of engagement, then I would be happy to engage.

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Post by mattfara50 » May 6th, 2018, 5:30 pm

Sure, Greta. Let me part the topic by adding that I am the grandson of a gay man. As oppressive as society was to him, I am grateful he actually procreated. He was a music teacher at a primary school, and at that time, any suspicion of his being gay would have lead to worries of pedophilia. He married and had three children before divorcing to live with a man. He died before I could have any real discussion of the topic with him, unfortunately. I agree that LGBT should indeed be left alone to live their lives like anyone else. Thank you for talking with me.

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Post by Greta » May 6th, 2018, 5:57 pm

Thanks Matt. Many of us have queer people in the family. I think I became exhausted on this topic because so many people have come on these forums to dissect them, often unfairly, so it's just my fatigue (and preference for ideas beyond the human). Sorry for being gruff.

It is funny how things turn out at times. Your grandfather had the choice of dealing with external or internal needs, without a realistic choice of satisfying either. Then again, life is simply tough and people endure all manner of things, of which that is one.

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