Pi (the movie).
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Pi (the movie).
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a) the various themes, the plot, and, most importantly, the ending.
b) the possibility that this or something similar could happen
C) the various philosophical questions such a reality would raise, such as, "is such a thing the work of god?", "would it be morally/ethically wrong to exploit this understanding of the stock market for personal gain?", "can anyone handle such a revelation being placed on them, and them alone?"
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Pi is a great movie in that it really makes you feel it. You feel like you've watches something that has caught on to the secrets of the universe. But after sitting back and thinking about what it actually says, it doesn't have much basis in reality. In that way, numerology actually made a great symbol for the thrust of the movie. It seems to make sense, but under a critical eye it simply doesn't. I will never forget him drilling into his own head, though. And I like to interpret the story as him simply being nuts the whole time, much like A Beautiful Mind.
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Assuming this is true, the way we think, and act upon those thoughts must have some sort of pattern. Therefore, the way we build, in this case the stock market, and the way we react, in this case reaction to the changes in stock quotes and the thought that our money is in a good or bad place, has a pattern. And therefore, by some means, we should be able to predict this pattern. If you figure out how to do this, you should be able to take advantage of that.1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature
I think that when he drilled himself in the head and burned the paper in the end, it was a statement that such knowledge is that of god, and should only be possesed by god. And in the end he was happy because he didn't have the capacity to hold that information (possibly an alternate reality). So the message is probably, ignorance is bliss.
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The presence of god or other supernatural things, somewhat seems to undermine the idea of causal determinism but even more definitely seems to undermine any practical ability to predict the future since we would -- apparently by definition -- be even less able to understand the causal laws and factors determining the actions of the supernatural beings.
Let's look at more narrow example: If you could compute the position of all the atoms in one's brain and their current motion and energy, and causal determinism is the case, then you can predict how that brain will work like predicting how pool balls will arrange on a table by calculating their current position and movements. At that point, psychology would be useless and we can throw it out the window. We don't need the heuristics and generalizations of psychology when we have all the causal information at the atomic level. But you need all that data, including a way to get the data and a way to calculate it. Finding the simple mathematical laws that describe the way nature works and allows us to predict the future movement of balls on a table requires us having way more robust knowledge about the present and/or past than just that simple equation, i.e. where the balls currently are on the able and what is their movement/inertia.
I don't think causal determinism, if an accurate description of our reality as we deal with it, can lead to a human being accurately predicting the stock market in the way depicted in Pi.
Nonetheless, your interpretation of the ending of Pi might be spot on. The ignorance is bliss message might extend to more practical matters than religious, in that before he apparently drilled the knowledge or intelligence out of his head he had a lot more dangers and stress to deal with.
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You think this movie was beautiful? ErrrrrThe pulsating brian gives me pause to agree.This is a beautiful movie about trying to attain the ultimate realization and the insanity it puts you through to get there.
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This is rather an annoying site. I just updated a thread and, since I was also the last to post there, it's still down the list in the dead-fish pan. No one will read it. Also, the clutter and clog in my mailbox is atrocious. I have put this address on my filter-to-garbage list. Why don't they just jam "interest" down my throat and force me to swallow it with a plunger? Sorry to tack this on to the Pi discussion but the system will relegate it to oblivion unless it's attached to something people are talking about. Weird system. And, the goody-two-shoes footprint is really cut deep in the muck.
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