I Hate Gays
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The "moral difference"? It is not a moral issue until someone does something. Voting in favor of intolerance is morally wrong. Voting in favor of California's proposition 8 is wrong.
Sounds to me like you are fed up with liberal political correctness. I can understand this. But I also think there are many groups who live in the US and conditions for them can be rude, suppressive and abusive. The bad news is that it will get worse before it gets better.
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The question I asked was, "What is the moral difference between those who dislike someone for their views, and those who dislike those who dislike someone for their views?"
For clarity of your question: What is the moral difference between one who dislikes gays for their views, and one who dislikes the one who dislikes gays for their views? I would say no difference unless either person doing the disliking exercises violence or action to disarm or prevent the disliked of their human rights.
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Can you get past your emotions enough to consider the questions at hand? I used the term to draw attention to the thread and in order to get the prejudiced reaction I was expecting. That is the point of this thread.Xris wrote:The word used was HATE.Something I would reserve for mass murderers or paedophiles. Not exactly the same as dislike or feel uncomfortable about.
Well, like them or hate them, it seems like child molesters will always be among us. Might we just learn to live with them as well?Logic_ill wrote:Like them or hate them, it seems like gays will always be among us. Might as well learn to live with it. I don't think anyone is necessarily evil for disliking gays, but they may be missing out on potential friends.
I'm not equating gays to child molesters, but it comes down to moral standards. Are we just to accept the morals of others simply because they're everywhere or just because there are a certain number of them?
So then what if I choose to ignore them completely and I refuse to interact with them at all?Misty wrote:For clarity of your question: What is the moral difference between one who dislikes gays for their views, and one who dislikes the one who dislikes gays for their views? I would say no difference unless either person doing the disliking exercises violence or action to disarm or prevent the disliked of their human rights.
I tolerate a lot of things that I don't like. I only act on the dislike if it affects me directly and immediately. Why is it that if I merely tolerate gays, but I am honest in my disgust of the gay lifestyle, that I'm labeled a "homophobe". It seems like a hypocritical reverse discrimination to me.Hereandnow wrote:It's not a matter of liking or not, it's a matter of tolerating.
Being rude, suppressive and abusive to the people who merely show disagreement with the gay agenda by calling them homophobes and trying to attach a certain social stigma to them doesn't help their cause at all either.Hereandnow wrote:Sounds to me like you are fed up with liberal political correctness. I can understand this. But I also think there are many groups who live in the US and conditions for them can be rude, suppressive and abusive.
The term "homophobe" will be overused to the point where it will have no real meaning or emotional reactive value.
If I think that the gay lifestyle and the people that live that lifestyle are repulsive and that I want nothing to do with them, then am I homophobic? What does that term mean? Do people have a right to not associate with others they find repulsive or otherwise not to their liking?
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Spiral Out wrote:
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So then what if I choose to ignore them completely and I refuse to interact with them at all?
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That is your right as an American citizen.
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Again, I'm not attempting to equate gays with child molesters.
Calling someone a homophobe to try to silence them by attaching a social stigma to them is no better than calling someone a **** to try to silence them by attaching a social stigma to them. It's complete hypocrisy.
There was another thread here where I voiced my opinion of disagreement to the gay agenda and was quickly labeled a homophobe. I think that it is a dangerous example of the mindset that will develop in response to the dangerous mindset that created it. All that is being achieved is a redirection of the bullying. That will only result is an escalation of conflict and violence.
People must recognize and give room for normal disagreement, otherwise there is the impression that one must either conform to an ideology completely or combat an ideology completely. People don't like to conform.
Are you sure? Are there any anti-discrimination laws that might require me to go against my own will?Misty wrote:That is your right as an American citizen.
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Spiral Out wrote:
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Are you sure? Are there any anti-discrimination laws that might require me to go against my own will?
Why would there be an anti-discrimination law when one is not actively discriminating against another?
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I like the way you think.Logic_ill wrote:Like them or hate them, it seems like gays will always be among us. Might as well learn to live with it. I don't think anyone is necessarily evil for disliking gays, but they may be missing out on potential friends.
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Spiral Out wrote:
What is the moral difference between those who dislike someone for their views, and those who dislike those who dislike someone for their views?
I think the former is disliking the “View”, while the latter one is disliking the “Person”. So I think the moral difference between the “those who dislike someone for their views” and “those who dislike those who dislike someone for their views”, would be the moral difference between “disliking the Views” and “disliking the Person”. This is a common initial thought of me.
Secondly what could be moral difference between “disliking the views” and “disliking a person”. Which of them are more morally correct than other? Right now, I do not have any deeper thought about this but like to express that:-
1- Though “disliking” is itself is not morally right, therefore any of the two variables cannot be morally right, I think.
2- Suppose if views are right, then disliking the views could be morally wrong. And those who dislikes a wrong person who dislikes the right view, I think, could be morally right.
3- Suppose if views are wrong, then disliking the views could be morally right. And those who dislikes a right person who dislikes the wrong view, I think, could be morally wrong.
So I think the moral difference depends upon, whether the view is right or whether the view is wrong. So it depends upon the soundness of the view.
Sorry, I find it difficult to properly relate the question with homosexuality issue, because I guess anybody can be considered to be appearing on any side of the two variables, as views are from both side and not from one side.
One thing for homosexuality issue is that, the main factor creating confusion and disagreement among both sides, I think, is considering homosexuality as a person’s orientation. One side is totally convinced that homosexuality is a sexual orientation from birth, while the other side is not convinced that it is a sexual orientation by birth. But certainly there is no proper explanation or evidence that homosexuality is certainly a Sexual orientation.
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Nobody has stated such a thing. If you are referring to the topic title then you are prejudicing yourself against something that is not there. Do you actually know that this thread is about?Xris wrote:But simply stating you hate gays...
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