Can art be bad?
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Nature, I think, is a fantastically successful ‘artist’ – her productions regularly resonating with us on very deep emotional levels.
But I don’t think any human art can be intrinsically ‘bad.’ It can be unsuccessful, although rarely (if ever) totally unsuccessful.
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As to the objective/subjective debate, I don't quite understand what is it all about. What it takes for a piece of art to be 'objectively' good or bad? Does it require universal agreement? People disagree all the time about facts, and yet we don't think that everything we disagree on is 'subjective' (like history science etc.). Artists put a lot of effort to perfect their skills in order to create better works, what would be the point of that if art were merely 'subjective'? It isn't 'subjective' in the sense that 'good' and 'bad' are defined by my subjective (say emotional) responses (or anyone's else) to a given piece of art, because no one cares about that. What really matter is the shared practices and traditions between the participants in a given art form (the artist, the audience, the critiques etc.), which give the background against which the art is judged. To ask about the practice is it 'subjective' or 'objective' doesn't make sense, since the meaning and the porpoise of the practice is given 'from within', and once you understand it this question doesn't arise (no one tries to justify to himself or others why he listens to music).
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From the fact that people disagree about something, it doesn't follow that people 'merely have an opinion'. So if we take an extreme case, it's very unlikely that all people will ever agree on a question like the existence of God, does it make his existence 'subjective'? Or let's take an intermediate case, what's more objective- to use the metric or the British system for measurement? Or better, is it more objective to measure people's height with meters or light years (or microns)? In one sense it's a matter of pure convention, and yet nobody in his right mind will use light years... It shows that the objective/subjective distinction is not sharp, but there are gradations. Art is maybe not like science, and yet it's also not like testing ice cream.Mattmaximillian wrote:What I really want to get at is this: is art based merely on opinion? Are there sounds, or sights, that all humans can come together and say "This is significantly bad". I think that this is quite impossible to happen.
And let's suppose that all people would eventually agree in their judgments about art (a purely contingent matter), will it make necessarily art 'objective'? Suppose you didn't liked a certain song, and yet all of humanity disagreed with you (it's a really great song). Would it change your judgment? It's not very clear what 'objectivity' in art suppose to mean.
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