So? That's a separate scenario that skirts the issue I'm trying to elaborate.
Do you think that the GR presupposes moral relativism?
So? That's a separate scenario that skirts the issue I'm trying to elaborate.
It is what it is. It does not presuppose the making of cheese, nor trips to the moon.mattfara50 wrote: ↑May 17th, 2018, 9:41 pmSo? That's a separate scenario that skirts the issue I'm trying to elaborate.
Do you think that the GR presupposes moral relativism?
Then how can one parent a child? Please address this point that I've repeatedly put to you.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑May 17th, 2018, 4:37 am The GR ... does not give you a licence to impose yourself on others.
I've already answered.mattfara50 wrote: ↑May 23rd, 2018, 9:46 pmThen how can one parent a child? Please address this point that I've repeatedly put to you.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑May 17th, 2018, 4:37 am The GR ... does not give you a licence to impose yourself on others.
Some parents are not very good at parenting and some parents cannot say what was right or wrong with how their own parents' parented them.Parents who use the GR parent their child as they would have wanted to be parented. That does not give licence to impose your moral standards of people who are not your chattle.
You seem to be missing my point, ThomasHobbes. If a parent is parenting a child, the parent is imposing their will on the child. You state that the GR does not warrant such a thing. On what grounds is parenting an exception? Please clarify.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑May 24th, 2018, 4:55 amI've already answered.mattfara50 wrote: ↑May 23rd, 2018, 9:46 pm
Then how can one parent a child? Please address this point that I've repeatedly put to you.
Parents who use the GR parent their child as they would have wanted to be parented. That does not give licence to impose your moral standards of people who are not your chattle.
I've answered this twice.mattfara50 wrote: ↑May 24th, 2018, 5:22 pmYou seem to be missing my point, ThomasHobbes. If a parent is parenting a child, the parent is imposing their will on the child. You state that the GR does not warrant such a thing. On what grounds is parenting an exception? Please clarify.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑May 24th, 2018, 4:55 am
I've already answered.
Parents who use the GR parent their child as they would have wanted to be parented. That does not give licence to impose your moral standards of people who are not your chattle.
To use your logic, the GR would warrant this because the parent would necessarily parent as he or she would want to be parented, despite the child's own will. The child might be utterly ill at ease with the parenting that his parent imposes, however, even if the parent would genuinely want to be parented as such. Again, please explain why the child is not protected from this imposition, as you insist others are.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑May 24th, 2018, 5:27 pmI've answered this twice.mattfara50 wrote: ↑May 24th, 2018, 5:22 pm
You seem to be missing my point, ThomasHobbes. If a parent is parenting a child, the parent is imposing their will on the child. You state that the GR does not warrant such a thing. On what grounds is parenting an exception? Please clarify.
You all ready said that. I told you the answer.mattfara50 wrote: ↑May 24th, 2018, 5:37 pmTo use your logic, the GR would warrant this because the parent would necessarily parent as he or she would want to be parented, despite the child's own will. The child might be utterly ill at ease with the parenting that his parent imposes, however, even if the parent would genuinely want to be parented as such. Again, please explain why the child is not protected from this imposition, as you insist others are.
OK. I am perhaps a bit dense today (or usually). Please point me to the exact post in which you answered this. You can give me the date/time stamp, etc. Whatever is easiest for you.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑May 24th, 2018, 5:39 pmYou all ready said that. I told you the answer.mattfara50 wrote: ↑May 24th, 2018, 5:37 pm
To use your logic, the GR would warrant this because the parent would necessarily parent as he or she would want to be parented, despite the child's own will. The child might be utterly ill at ease with the parenting that his parent imposes, however, even if the parent would genuinely want to be parented as such. Again, please explain why the child is not protected from this imposition, as you insist others are.
I have a double reaction to this argument. Yes, you are quite right. And this means that many people who were poorly parented, but who never managed to challenge their own parents ideas will likely repeat the errors of their parents. Let alone your point about the mad.
Hi Karpel Tunnel. Thanks for weighing in.Karpel Tunnel wrote: ↑May 25th, 2018, 8:47 am The GR cannot do everything. It does shift one into considering the experiences of others, and at least tries to get you to apply your own good to others. Often what you think is good, is not. But at least a better attitude is fostered. It is a challenge to hypocrisy and solipsism. If anyone thinks it is a panacea they are confused. If anyone thinks any moral guidelines, let alone a single sentence one, is going to eliminate all problems, they are extremely confused.
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