Don't vote (unless you want to)
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Don't vote (unless you want to)
Does anyone have any?
It suddenly occured to me that perhaps it would be better not to encourage people to vote (unless they wanted to). The reason being that hopefully those who are more informed will naturally vote regardless of being encouraged.
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Most people seem to vote for the least worst, not the best.
Trump, Clinton: who gives a fu_k?
In a nation of 300 million, they offer THESE two? FFS
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Are you complaining that others lost in the primaries or that better candidates didn't choose to run?ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑October 18th, 2018, 3:00 am Having someone worthy of your vote is important.
Most people seem to vote for the least worst, not the best.
Trump, Clinton: who gives a fu_k?
In a nation of 300 million, they offer THESE two? FFS
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I'm aware this is a generalization, but as generalizations go, this is one I don't mind making.
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I'm complaining the the political system is a plutocracy in which turds seem to rise to the top.LuckyR wrote: ↑October 19th, 2018, 12:50 amAre you complaining that others lost in the primaries or that better candidates didn't choose to run?ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑October 18th, 2018, 3:00 am Having someone worthy of your vote is important.
Most people seem to vote for the least worst, not the best.
Trump, Clinton: who gives a fu_k?
In a nation of 300 million, they offer THESE two? FFS
Are you pretending that the US system is not broken or that it is worthy of the term 'democracy'?
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Well, since you dodged my question, all I am hearing is standard complaining without any specifics as to either the problem or any solutions.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑October 19th, 2018, 3:44 amI'm complaining the the political system is a plutocracy in which turds seem to rise to the top.
Are you pretending that the US system is not broken or that it is worthy of the term 'democracy'?
At best I might infer that you are referring to the outsized influence of money on campaigning, though to be fair, you didn't say that.
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Yours was a stupid question. Not worthy of an answer being utterly rhetorical.LuckyR wrote: ↑October 20th, 2018, 3:27 amWell, since you dodged my question, all I am hearing is standard complaining without any specifics as to either the problem or any solutions.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑October 19th, 2018, 3:44 am
I'm complaining the the political system is a plutocracy in which turds seem to rise to the top.
Are you pretending that the US system is not broken or that it is worthy of the term 'democracy'?
At best I might infer that you are referring to the outsized influence of money on campaigning, though to be fair, you didn't say that.
The problem with the US's so-called democracy goes much deeper than "influence of money on campaigning"
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I do not think that by not encouraging people to vote only those who are well informed will vote. Those who are motivated by ignorance, fear, and hatred are likely to vote, and so, elections will be determined by them rather than the minority who put in the time and effort to become well informed.
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The inspiration for my position comes from the article at [See policy on links. Instead of just linking describe what is said].
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I am not interested in trying to nail your jello to the wall. Have a nice day.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑October 20th, 2018, 7:20 amYours was a stupid question. Not worthy of an answer being utterly rhetorical.LuckyR wrote: ↑October 20th, 2018, 3:27 am
Well, since you dodged my question, all I am hearing is standard complaining without any specifics as to either the problem or any solutions.
At best I might infer that you are referring to the outsized influence of money on campaigning, though to be fair, you didn't say that.
The problem with the US's so-called democracy goes much deeper than "influence of money on campaigning"
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It would likely be those who are less cynical, more opinionated who would vote.Eduk wrote: ↑October 15th, 2018, 3:31 am Pretty much everyone will tell you that it is very important to vote. I have never seen any evidence to back this statement up though.
Does anyone have any?
It suddenly occured to me that perhaps it would be better not to encourage people to vote (unless they wanted to). The reason being that hopefully those who are more informed will naturally vote regardless of being encouraged.
But I don't disagree. I always thought it was strange everyone though it was so important to vote then in other discussions painting the opposition as evil - before the last decade implying rather than openly saying it. It's important that you get out and vote even if its for that guy who is like Stalin/Hitler.
Further if there is a fundamental problem with the system, voting can be taken as a generalized approval. If very few vote, it is a sign that something is off. People do not feel it makes a difference or is worth their time. They could also be misinformed about this, and this justifies the get out and vote thing, but in general I think it means, myself, that there is a disconnect.
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I suppose some people are going to think you are a dork, if they knew, but generally they would not. And, then, by this kind of logic you can't complain if your candidate won. And hopefull no one believes that. And if you believe that both candidates cannot possibly represent your interests given whom they are beholden to and who paid for them to get in office, you should be considered quite justified in complaining when the specific actions of the one who won start to unfold.
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Wall Street, large corporations who finance campaigns which give the candidates access to the media absolutely and utterly necessary to even have the tiniest chance of getting voting into the presidency and in 99% of the cases the Senate. A local politician or a House of Rep. has a chance, though even here they are handicapped if the money thinks they are not OK. Normal citizens get to choose between approved candidates. And even if starting out a politician might challenge the money, by the time he or she is in, she would be heavily in their debt. Obama the from the right point of view monster from the far left, brought in Wall Street people to be his finance admin, despite how he was viewed and perhaps how he even viewed himself earlier in the campaign. The Democratic party broke its own rules to keep Sanders out.
They is the people with a lot of money. In the US there is an oligarchy. And this is not even getting into lobbying and its effects on elected official behavior.
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