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Does Pornography Qualify as Art?

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Re: Does Pornography Qualify as Art?

Post by UniversalAlien » July 23rd, 2019, 3:32 am

Again is Pornography Art? - But what is art, really what is it?

"Art is essentially the affirmation, the blessing, and the deification of existence."
- Friedrich Nietzsche


"One must give value to their existence by behaving as if ones very existence were a work of art."
- Friedrich Nietzsche


"The great end of art is to strike the imagination with the power of a soul that refuses to admit defeat even in the midst of a collapsing world."
- Friedrich Nietzsche


"The truth is ugly: we have art so as not to perish from the truth."
- Friedrich Nietzsche


"Art is not merely an imitation of the reality of nature, but in truth a metaphysical supplement to the reality of nature, placed alongside thereof for its conquest."
- Friedrich Nietzsche


And finally:

"... art approaches as a saving sorceress, expert at healing. She alone knows how to turn these nauseous thoughts about the horror or absurdity of existence into notions with which one can live."
- Friedrich Nietzsche




So I suppose you might say that all of Human interaction, all of History, might be considered obscene
and pornographic if it is shown and depicted one way - But shown and depicted another way it is fine art :idea:






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Re: Does Pornography Qualify as Art?

Post by Mark1955 » July 23rd, 2019, 6:28 am

Art, like pornography, is a subjective topic. I enjoy erotic art, you look at smutty pictures and the bloke down the road is into porn. We all know our place in our own minds, although this may not be our place in the minds of others.
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Re: Does Pornography Qualify as Art?

Post by Hereandnow » July 23rd, 2019, 5:51 pm

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You mean what you said about it being a means to an end? I would still say that such an ego-centric goal oriented attitude towards spiritual practice is a symptom of ignorance, it's not like training for a marathon or something.
The practice as I have understood it, involves the movement of shakti from a lower part of the spine to the top of the head. I have practiced this, I mean, not in any profound way, but with others who knew what they were doing: Sitting quietly doing nothing, then using your attention only (not looking with your eyes, e.g.) find that spot in the lower spine, then bring it up to the top of the head. The purpose of sex is to generate energy, then once, well, all excited, control it. I don't know where ego comes into it. It's just, as are all such Eastern spiritual ideas, a way of liberation. Liberation is the "end". Yoga is the means.

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Re: Does Pornography Qualify as Art?

Post by Hereandnow » July 24th, 2019, 11:01 am

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"Art is essentially the affirmation, the blessing, and the deification of existence."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

"One must give value to their existence by behaving as if ones very existence were a work of art."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

"The great end of art is to strike the imagination with the power of a soul that refuses to admit defeat even in the midst of a collapsing world."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

"The truth is ugly: we have art so as not to perish from the truth."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

"Art is not merely an imitation of the reality of nature, but in truth a metaphysical supplement to the reality of nature, placed alongside thereof for its conquest."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

And finally:

"... art approaches as a saving sorceress, expert at healing. She alone knows how to turn these nauseous thoughts about the horror or absurdity of existence into notions with which one can live."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Niezsche?? Why is N so authoritative?
So I suppose you might say that all of Human interaction, all of History, might be considered obscene
and pornographic if it is shown and depicted one way - But shown and depicted another way it is fine art :idea:
Yes, it is IN the depiction, the taking the object, persons, etc. AS art that makes for the possibility of art. Take de Vinci's Last Supper AS a place mat, and it's a place mat. You could look at the place mat and say, my how lovely; then, you could call it art. Fight off an assailant with it and it's a weapon.
But then, what is it exactly, that one does in calling it art? That is, if it's a weapon when used in such a way as weapons are used, what is it that makes for the "way" of art?

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Re: Does Pornography Qualify as Art?

Post by UniversalAlien » July 24th, 2019, 11:18 pm

Hereandnow wrote:
......But then, what is it exactly, that one does in calling it art? That is, if it's a weapon when used in such a way as weapons are used, what is it that makes for the "way" of art?
True, but one of the most ever popular books I sold was 'The Art of War' - Considered a classic.

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Re: Does Pornography Qualify as Art?

Post by UniversalAlien » July 24th, 2019, 11:42 pm

Now I want you to travel with me into a World yet to happen - Where people, Humanity, has grown up
- It learns to understand what the Erotic Nature of Man really means - Another words pornography comes to mean bad erotica - Or a poor Man's excuse for art - But Erotica in this future is considered more important than ever - It is worshiped for its level of sophistication and meaning - It is considered the highest form of
artistic expression.

In this World reality game shows, as are still popular on TV, as they are today - More popular than ever
- And the most popular show is "The Greatest Lovers Completion"

For this game show 5 couples, not necessarily particularly good looking, but all reasonable looking, are
chosen to see who can win the completion for 'best lovers' - Who shows the highest finesse and art in
lovemaking.

Like in the dance show competitions now so popular, the winners of each show, go on to the next show
and the last couple to win at the end gets, say one million dollars.

Would you consider this to be art? - Very erotic, X rated, but Art - True?

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Re: Does Pornography Qualify as Art?

Post by Hereandnow » July 25th, 2019, 1:10 am

UniversalAlien
Now I want you to travel with me into a World yet to happen - Where people, Humanity, has grown up
- It learns to understand what the Erotic Nature of Man really means - Another words pornography comes to mean bad erotica - Or a poor Man's excuse for art - But Erotica in this future is considered more important than ever - It is worshiped for its level of sophistication and meaning - It is considered the highest form of
artistic expression.

In this World reality game shows, as are still popular on TV, as they are today - More popular than ever
- And the most popular show is "The Greatest Lovers Completion"

For this game show 5 couples, not necessarily particularly good looking, but all reasonable looking, are
chosen to see who can win the completion for 'best lovers' - Who shows the highest finesse and art in
lovemaking.

Like in the dance show competitions now so popular, the winners of each show, go on to the next show
and the last couple to win at the end gets, say one million dollars.

Would you consider this to be art? - Very erotic, X rated, but Art - True?
Or, what if chicken soup were worshiped like this? Or foot massages? I would say that we could speculate freely about such things in possible worlds, but it is difficult to imagine how sex could as much art as art is in this world if I don't really know what art is in the first place. Is it just in the naming something "art"? Or in order for something to be art something has to have a certain nature, as to be a shoe something has to fit on the foot for walking? Are you suggesting that art really has no nature at all, and it can be anything if we can conceive of a possible world where the thing is called art? What does the term "art" do to something by calling it this? Is it some vacuous categorical designation?

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