NukeBan wrote: ↑April 30th, 2020, 10:45 am
The word "God" is a relatively recent invention, but the experience that word is attempting to describe does pre-date humans.
Considering the word 'God' sometimes references a 'thing' that created every thing, then why do we even have say out aloud that that 'thing/experience' pre-dates humans? There is no human being in this forum is there that thinks human beings have been around pre-date humans is there?
NukeBan wrote: ↑April 30th, 2020, 10:45 am
Wildlife has a primal connection with nature that was largely lost to us as thought emerged in human beings and we became increasingly distracted and consumed by the symbolic realm between our ears.
That 'connection' is only lost on some. That 'connection' therefore is not lost on "us". Unless you are only talking to an audience that has lost their primal connection with Nature? If you are, then obviously that audience has no idea what you are talking about here.
NukeBan wrote: ↑April 30th, 2020, 10:45 am
Most of the time our attention is not focused on the real world, but rather on what we think about the real world, which is something else entirely.
Why do you and others do this.
I certainly do not. In fact this means that I do the very opposite of what you and them do.
NukeBan wrote: ↑April 30th, 2020, 10:45 am
Consider your dog with his head out the window of your car as you drive. Your dog is totally 100% invested in the moment of the wind in his face, whereas you are typically lost in thought as you drive.
You like to assume.
What happens when "your" dog sees a cat, is "your" dog still 100% invested in the moment of the wind in his or her face?
Is "your" dog never seeing, smelling, hearing any thing at all when you drive, other than just "invested in the moment of the wind"?
Also, if this is the case, then how do you know this?
NukeBan wrote: ↑April 30th, 2020, 10:45 am
Your dog is in the real world, you are usually in a symbolic realm which only points to the real world, a second hand experience.
When you use the 'you' word here, who exactly are you referring to?
If when you drive you are in some other "world" than your dog is, and your dog is in the real world, then why do you do this? Why do you not just stay in the real world?
NukeBan wrote: ↑April 30th, 2020, 10:45 am
Your dog has the primal bond with reality, you typically do not.
Why do you speak for 'me' or 'others' and not just speak for "your" own self?
If you want to tell me or others that we typically do not have a primal bond with reality, then are you also able to tell us and them WHY we do not?
NukeBan wrote: ↑April 30th, 2020, 10:45 am
Religions and the god(s) characters arose in an attempt to recover the lost primal bond with reality.
But I have not lost any so called "primal bond with reality".
NukeBan wrote: ↑April 30th, 2020, 10:45 am
As example, consider that the Jehovah character is remarkably similar to nature in being both a gloriously beautiful giver of life, and a ruthless killer of the innocent. As we lost the primal bond with reality we attempted to reconnect through the use of relatable human-like characters such as Jehovah.
How do you know that when after you and them lost the primal bond with reality that you or them did not just make up characters out of that made up unreal "world" you and them are in when you and them are not in the real world, where your dog is?
NukeBan wrote: ↑April 30th, 2020, 10:45 am
A key problem for most religions is that such characters are made of thought, the very thing which causes us to lose the primal bond with nature.
But 'thought' itself does not cause you to lose the primal bond with nature. Only the false, wrong, and/or incorrect thoughts and thinking causes you and others to lose the primal bond with nature.
By the way obviously the actual 'bond with Nature' is never lost. That bond is just overridden or just lost sight of, with false, wrong, and/or incorrect thoughts and thinking.
NukeBan wrote: ↑April 30th, 2020, 10:45 am
The primal bond with nature is still available to us today, it just doesn't come naturally to us as it once did.
Of course it comes 'naturally', that is because it is Nature, and thus Natural in and of itself.
There is absolutely nothing that is separated nor a part from Nature, Itself. Every human being is born a part of Nature. As human beings grow/evolve they are unfortunately taught things which are false, wrong, and/or incorrect from what is actually true, right, and correct. These false and wrong teachings then become false and wrong thoughts, which then leads them from seeing what is actually true, right, and correct.
NukeBan wrote: ↑April 30th, 2020, 10:45 am
That's the price tag for the awesome power of thought.
This losing sight of what is Real and True, or Nature, Itself, is because of the human brain's amazing ability to gather information, and then hold that as being absolutely true, right, et cetera, when it actually is not. What is held within the brain as thoughts, then does have an awesome power of one's true self and their ability to see what the actual Truth IS.