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[Pattern-chaser]

You can't have IQ without EQ, but you can't have EQ without IQ. Ergo, you can't have both!

Hi, AgentSmith!

I'm afraid your logic, as you have expressed it, does not lead to the conclusion you draw.

Nice to meet you, anyway; welcome to our dance!

Hi to you too Pattern-chaser

Why? Do you see a way out of the vicious circle I described? Pray tell.

OK, I think my initial judgement was slightly rash. But your logic is still flawed. There is no connection (that I know of) that says EQ and IQ scores are linked in the way you describe. What is to stop anyone from having a high IQ and a low EQ? Many in this forum are in exactly that situation. And vice versa? People who are nice, easy to get on with, but not geniuses? There are people like that too, in RL.

One can have high IQ and EQ scores, although I imagine this is relatively rare, just as low scores for both is too. But I don't think the score in one of them influences one's score in the other one. I think they are complements, not opposites.

[AgentSmith]

You can't have IQ without EQ, but you can't have EQ without IQ. Ergo, you can't have both!

Hi, AgentSmith!

I'm afraid your logic, as you have expressed it, does not lead to the conclusion you draw.

Nice to meet you, anyway; welcome to our dance!

Hi to you too Pattern-chaser

Why? Do you see a way out of the vicious circle I described? Pray tell.

OK, I think my initial judgement was slightly rash. But your logic is still flawed. There is no connection (that I know of) that says EQ and IQ scores are linked in the way you describe. What is to stop anyone from having a high IQ and a low EQ? Many in this forum are in exactly that situation. And vice versa? People who are nice, easy to get on with, but not geniuses? There are people like that too, in RL.

One can have high IQ and EQ scores, although I imagine this is relatively rare, just as low scores for both is too. But I don't think the score in one of them influences one's score in the other one. I think they are complements, not opposites.

My logic is rather simple.

1. To have high IQ (score well on an IQ test) one needs to be calm & composed.

2. To be calm & composed (emotionally stable) one needs to have good EQ.

3. To have good EQ, one needs to understand & use our emotions.

4. To understand & use our emotions one needs high IQ

Conclusion:
1. To have high IQ one needs high EQ
2. To have high EQ one needs high IQ

IQ needs EQ and EQ needs IQ.

[LuckyR]

You can't have IQ without EQ, but you can't have EQ without IQ. Ergo, you can't have both!

Hi, AgentSmith!

I'm afraid your logic, as you have expressed it, does not lead to the conclusion you draw.

Nice to meet you, anyway; welcome to our dance!

Hi to you too Pattern-chaser

Why? Do you see a way out of the vicious circle I described? Pray tell.

OK, I think my initial judgement was slightly rash. But your logic is still flawed. There is no connection (that I know of) that says EQ and IQ scores are linked in the way you describe. What is to stop anyone from having a high IQ and a low EQ? Many in this forum are in exactly that situation. And vice versa? People who are nice, easy to get on with, but not geniuses? There are people like that too, in RL.

One can have high IQ and EQ scores, although I imagine this is relatively rare, just as low scores for both is too. But I don't think the score in one of them influences one's score in the other one. I think they are complements, not opposites.

My logic is rather simple.

1. To have high IQ (score well on an IQ test) one needs to be calm & composed.

2. To be calm & composed (emotionally stable) one needs to have good EQ.

3. To have good EQ, one needs to understand & use our emotions.

4. To understand & use our emotions one needs high IQ

Conclusion:
1. To have high IQ one needs high EQ
2. To have high EQ one needs high IQ

IQ needs EQ and EQ needs IQ.

I can follow your train of thought, but don't you personally know socially inept smart people and socially gifted dumb people?

[AgentSmith]

You can't have IQ without EQ, but you can't have EQ without IQ. Ergo, you can't have both!

Hi, AgentSmith!

I'm afraid your logic, as you have expressed it, does not lead to the conclusion you draw.

Nice to meet you, anyway; welcome to our dance!

Hi to you too Pattern-chaser

Why? Do you see a way out of the vicious circle I described? Pray tell.

OK, I think my initial judgement was slightly rash. But your logic is still flawed. There is no connection (that I know of) that says EQ and IQ scores are linked in the way you describe. What is to stop anyone from having a high IQ and a low EQ? Many in this forum are in exactly that situation. And vice versa? People who are nice, easy to get on with, but not geniuses? There are people like that too, in RL.

One can have high IQ and EQ scores, although I imagine this is relatively rare, just as low scores for both is too. But I don't think the score in one of them influences one's score in the other one. I think they are complements, not opposites.

My logic is rather simple.

1. To have high IQ (score well on an IQ test) one needs to be calm & composed.

2. To be calm & composed (emotionally stable) one needs to have good EQ.

3. To have good EQ, one needs to understand & use our emotions.

4. To understand & use our emotions one needs high IQ

Conclusion:
1. To have high IQ one needs high EQ
2. To have high EQ one needs high IQ

IQ needs EQ and EQ needs IQ.

I can follow your train of thought, but don't you personally know socially inept smart people and socially gifted dumb people?

For my money, these aren't instances of high/low IQ and high/low EQ and if they are, it's just that such people have never bothered to use their IQ in social matters and, at the other extreme, high EQ are not dumb.

[Pattern-chaser]

1. To have high IQ (score well on an IQ test) one needs to be calm & composed.

2. To be calm & composed (emotionally stable) one needs to have good EQ.

3. To have good EQ, one needs to understand & use our emotions.

4. To understand & use our emotions one needs high IQ

Conclusion:
1. To have high IQ one needs high EQ
2. To have high EQ one needs high IQ

I don't think I can wholeheartedly agree with any of your four premises. Let's take #2. It seems to me that EQ is about relating to others, not (necessarily) being "calm & composed" oneself...?

[Pattern-chaser]

Intelligence quotient – IQ. Formulated by psychologists like Alfred Binet and later conceptualized by psychologist William Stern, IQ includes qualities like analytical skills, logical reasoning, ability to relate multiple things, and ability to store and retrieve information. IQ tests check this through various questions related to reading comprehension, data interpretation, logical reasoning, verbal ability, visual-spatial reasoning, classification, analogies and pattern-detection.

Emotional Intelligence – EQ. Conceptualized by psychologists like Michael Beldoch and later popularized by psychologist Daniel Goleman, EQ includes some key competencies which then have further subheadings, viz. self-awareness which includes emotional awareness, self-assessment & self-confidence; self-regulation which includes self-control, trustworthiness, conscientiousness, adaptability & innovativeness; self-motivation which includes drive, commitment, initiative & optimism; social awareness which includes empathy, service orientation, developing others, leveraging diversity, and political awareness; and social skills which include influence, communication, leadership, change management, conflict management and cooperation.

Social Intelligence – SQ. Postulated by psychologist Edward Thorndike, it was later reinvented by psychologists like Howard Gardner and Daniel Goleman. Gardner proposed that there are multiple intelligences, out of which he talked about two important ones, intrapersonal intelligence and interpersonal intelligence. According to him, interpersonal intelligence includes sensitivity towards others’ moods, feelings, temperaments and motivations; and ability to cooperate as part of a group. Gardner equated it with Daniel Goleman’s Emotional Intelligence.

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[AgentSmith]

1. To have high IQ (score well on an IQ test) one needs to be calm & composed.

2. To be calm & composed (emotionally stable) one needs to have good EQ.

3. To have good EQ, one needs to understand & use our emotions.

4. To understand & use our emotions one needs high IQ

Conclusion:
1. To have high IQ one needs high EQ
2. To have high EQ one needs high IQ

I don't think I can wholeheartedly agree with any of your four premises. Let's take #2. It seems to me that EQ is about relating to others, not (necessarily) being "calm & composed" oneself...?

Of course, of course, but the aspect of EQ (being in control of one's emotions) that has a direct bearing on IQ is what matters, oui?

It's like war - traders, ordinary people, arms dealers, etc. the lives of many categories of people are touched - but as a (if you are) surgeon, its the casualties that have any import in your life.

[LuckyR]

OK, I think my initial judgement was slightly rash. But your logic is still flawed. There is no connection (that I know of) that says EQ and IQ scores are linked in the way you describe. What is to stop anyone from having a high IQ and a low EQ? Many in this forum are in exactly that situation. And vice versa? People who are nice, easy to get on with, but not geniuses? There are people like that too, in RL.

One can have high IQ and EQ scores, although I imagine this is relatively rare, just as low scores for both is too. But I don't think the score in one of them influences one's score in the other one. I think they are complements, not opposites.

My logic is rather simple.

1. To have high IQ (score well on an IQ test) one needs to be calm & composed.

2. To be calm & composed (emotionally stable) one needs to have good EQ.

3. To have good EQ, one needs to understand & use our emotions.

4. To understand & use our emotions one needs high IQ

Conclusion:
1. To have high IQ one needs high EQ
2. To have high EQ one needs high IQ

IQ needs EQ and EQ needs IQ.

I can follow your train of thought, but don't you personally know socially inept smart people and socially gifted dumb people?

For my money, these aren't instances of high/low IQ and high/low EQ and if they are, it's just that such people have never bothered to use their IQ in social matters and, at the other extreme, high EQ are not dumb.

So you're saying you don't personally know any socially stunted, book smart people nor any socially gifted, dim people? Really? They're actually quite common in my experience.

[Pattern-chaser]

I don't think I can wholeheartedly agree with any of your four premises. Let's take #2. It seems to me that EQ is about relating to others, not (necessarily) being "calm & composed" oneself...?

Of course, of course, but the aspect of EQ (being in control of one's emotions) that has a direct bearing on IQ is what matters, oui?

Perhaps so. But I can't see that EQ has any "direct bearing" on IQ. [I refer to typical people here, not those who have non-typical problems, perhaps with their mental health.]

[AgentSmith]

I don't think I can wholeheartedly agree with any of your four premises. Let's take #2. It seems to me that EQ is about relating to others, not (necessarily) being "calm & composed" oneself...?

Of course, of course, but the aspect of EQ (being in control of one's emotions) that has a direct bearing on IQ is what matters, oui?

Perhaps so. But I can't see that EQ has any "direct bearing" on IQ. [I refer to typical people here, not those who have non-typical problems, perhaps with their mental health.]

There really is nothing new that's being said. People with low EQ are emotionally unstable. Can one use one's IQ when in an emotional storm?

[Pattern-chaser]

People with low EQ are emotionally unstable.

People with low EQ are sometimes emotionally disadvantaged. You seem very judgemental about this...?

[Rende]

I think it is true that wisdom is something that has to do with being successful. A wise person, in my view, would take success as a different point from person to person. Why should i be less successful of a manager. Or it is just thinking that would hide the truth to yourself. That your less successful than another person. Some people would say they acept that they are less successful than others because, it dont have an deadly impact on their lives. And they are happy just to live. Is this wisdom? Is different from EQ and IQ and is also useful in life.

[LuckyR]

I think it is true that wisdom is something that has to do with being successful. A wise person, in my view, would take success as a different point from person to person. Why should i be less successful of a manager. Or it is just thinking that would hide the truth to yourself. That your less successful than another person. Some people would say they acept that they are less successful than others because, it dont have an deadly impact on their lives. And they are happy just to live. Is this wisdom? Is different from EQ and IQ and is also useful in life.

I agree wisdom is most useful than (and is separate from) what is measured by IQ and EQ.

[AmosMorrison]

I find it hard to understand why people spend loads of time to understand the basics about what they ask and readily look to make sure that they deny everything to ensure that the answerer considers his response bad. For this, I have decided to strike back or respond in an equal manner and task and for this, we will make sure that your mind finds the best response and calmness that is going to come your way.
Find below an extract regarding the basics and details of the emotional quotient:
Emotional Quotient is primarily your ability to understand other people and what motivates them as well as your own motivations and emotional intelligence. In addition to this, the ability to monitor and manage your own emotions also ties in with your level of emotional intelligence.
It is crucial to determine your emotional intelligence as it impacts almost everything you do and says each day.
How does Emotional Intelligence help?
In his book, “Emotional Intelligence: Why It Can Matter More Than IQ” Daniel Goleman explains how emotional intelligence helps individuals in their daily life. Here are some of the key takeaways from the book:
Self-awareness
When you have a degree of self-awareness, you are able to better gauge your own strengths and weaknesses. It gets easy for you to understand how your actions affect others. Self-aware individuals are able to handle and learn from constructive criticism better than those who aren’t.
Self-regulation
Individuals with high EQ are able to control themselves i.e. they decide when to reveal their emotions and when to restrain themselves. Others can be prone to emotional outbursts and have no control whatsoever.
Self-regulation
Individuals with high EQ are able to control themselves i.e. they decide when to reveal their emotions and when to restrain themselves. Others can be prone to emotional outbursts and have no control whatsoever.