I'd say God help you all, but God is half the problem of the American psyche.
What a missed opportunity.
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chewybrian wrote: ↑November 11th, 2024, 7:26 amThat's not what is happening. Decisions are being made on the basis of race and gender, regardless of income. If you are white or straight male, you are an Oppressor, no matter how poor you are, and if you are black or female, you are the Oppressed, even if you are in the top 1%.Sy Borg wrote: ↑November 10th, 2024, 9:58 pm I am for the former. Treat people equally, based on merit and need. As for past discrimination, if everyone is treated equally, gradually things will even out. Why rush progress based on ideology rather than simply treating people as individuals and letting nature take its course, rather than making policy based on demographics? Societies can simply allow the progress that automatically happens from industrialisation and digitalisation to happen organically. Tinkering creates the risk of unforeseen problems, eg. the welfare cycle, transitioning young children.I can agree with treating people equally based on race. I cannot agree with treating them equally based on wealth and income. The wealthy are holding the spoils of past discrimination and the poor are suffering the lingering effects of past injustices. We should have more empathy than it takes to tell millions of people to wait a few generations for things to even out a little bit.
More important even than justice is the lost opportunity of getting the full potential out of all those folks who are stuck on the bottom, whether as a result of discrimination or the poor efforts or bad choices of their parents or grandparents. With each generation, we lose out because people with great potential are put in situations where that potential is inevitably wasted as they get a poor education in a dangerous and unhealthy environment with few resources available for them to use to break the cycle. I truly believe that society would get a good return on the money invested in helping the poor to advance. The fact that it also speeds up the advance of justice makes it a no-brainer. I don't see any valid 'reverse discrimination' argument against this approach.
Sculptor1 wrote: ↑November 11th, 2024, 7:33 am I suppose the DEI propaganda has worked and the American people have consciously and unconsciously applied thier innate misogyny and racism to prefer a crinimal because they simply could not imagine a short black woman in the Whitehouse.Don't you understand? A Black person is probably a criminal also.
I'd say God help you all, but God is half the problem of the American psyche.
What a missed opportunity.
Sculptor1 wrote: ↑November 11th, 2024, 7:33 am I suppose the DEI propaganda has worked and the American people have consciously and unconsciously applied thier innate misogyny and racism to prefer a crinimal because they simply could not imagine a short black woman in the Whitehouse.Kamala Harris was chosen by Biden because she was female and non-white and those that worship at the alter of the neo-liberal Democratic elite were over joyed (DEI personified). But when it came to a second term, which Biden promised he wouldn't seek, the Dem elite were in a bind. Obvious to everyone that Biden was not strong enough for a second term but how would they get out of not running Harris? They knew she couldn't stand up to campaigning and real questioning. So they left a staggering Biden in until the last hour and then switched him out for Harris like a magic trick. Maybe no one would notice that she babbled on and on, not making any sense. I think people noticed. But also, 76% of Democratic voters do not support Biden's assistance of Israel's genocide. Harris didn't have the guts to agree but instead courted war criminal Dick Cheney and his daughter. People noticed.
I'd say God help you all, but God is half the problem of the American psyche.
What a missed opportunity.
LuckyR wrote: ↑November 12th, 2024, 2:51 amA black person is a criminal.?Sculptor1 wrote: ↑November 11th, 2024, 7:33 am I suppose the DEI propaganda has worked and the American people have consciously and unconsciously applied thier innate misogyny and racism to prefer a crinimal because they simply could not imagine a short black woman in the Whitehouse.Don't you understand? A Black person is probably a criminal also.
I'd say God help you all, but God is half the problem of the American psyche.
What a missed opportunity.
Mo_reese wrote: ↑November 12th, 2024, 11:12 amRUbbish. Harris was objectively the better candidate.Sculptor1 wrote: ↑November 11th, 2024, 7:33 am I suppose the DEI propaganda has worked and the American people have consciously and unconsciously applied thier innate misogyny and racism to prefer a crinimal because they simply could not imagine a short black woman in the Whitehouse.Kamala Harris was chosen by Biden because she was female and non-white and those that worship at the alter of the neo-liberal Democratic elite were over joyed (DEI personified). But when it came to a second term, which Biden promised he wouldn't seek, the Dem elite were in a bind. Obvious to everyone that Biden was not strong enough for a second term but how would they get out of not running Harris? They knew she couldn't stand up to campaigning and real questioning. So they left a staggering Biden in until the last hour and then switched him out for Harris like a magic trick. Maybe no one would notice that she babbled on and on, not making any sense. I think people noticed. But also, 76% of Democratic voters do not support Biden's assistance of Israel's genocide. Harris didn't have the guts to agree but instead courted war criminal Dick Cheney and his daughter. People noticed.
I'd say God help you all, but God is half the problem of the American psyche.
What a missed opportunity.
Sculptor1 wrote: ↑November 12th, 2024, 11:17 amSorry, sarcasm is difficult to convey sometimes.LuckyR wrote: ↑November 12th, 2024, 2:51 amA black person is a criminal.?
Don't you understand? A Black person is probably a criminal also.
WTF does that mean?
LuckyR wrote: ↑November 12th, 2024, 5:35 pmI'll allow that you were being ironic, that MAGA types assume that skin colour is essentailly criminal. IS that what you meant?Sculptor1 wrote: ↑November 12th, 2024, 11:17 amSorry, sarcasm is difficult to convey sometimes.LuckyR wrote: ↑November 12th, 2024, 2:51 amA black person is a criminal.?
Don't you understand? A Black person is probably a criminal also.
WTF does that mean?
Sy Borg wrote: ↑November 13th, 2024, 5:00 am Too much emphasis on identity and not enough on policy. Governments are not supposed target groups, but govern for everyone. All this targeting "black women" or "Latino males" etc is cynical and superficial. It's a campaign tactic that has worked in the past but people are now seeing through it, so new strategies will be needed, hopefully more sincere and less manipulative.I certainly agree but do I do not believe there is a chance in hell that the Democratic Elite will change their spots. They should have read the room when the Queen Neo-Liberal, Hillary Clinton lost to Trump. She called the Republicans "deplorables" in public and I bet she called Sen Sander's followers the same in private.
LuckyR wrote: ↑August 6th, 2024, 1:58 amUnqualified: Flight 3591, Boeing 767-375BCF, N1217A, Trinity Bay, Texas, February 23, 2019. Aircraft Accident.Mounce574 wrote: ↑August 4th, 2024, 8:13 pm I agree that DEI is doublespeak. The fact that an unqualified person is hired based on any attribute (race, gender, religious, etc) instead of a qualified person that doesn't fit in the category is why we, in the United States at least, have so many things that are in lawsuits for negligence. I would much rather hire Bill the straight white guy who knows what he is doing instead of Muhammad from the Middle East that doesn't have a clue about what he is working on. (These are generalizations, so please don't consider this as being negative towards any one group).
In the book Caudacity, the author, John Falcone, states "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) is Affirmative Action on steroids. DEI doesn’t elevate minorities with teaching or training to meet employment qualifications; no, DEI either reduces the employment qualifications until minorities qualify or prioritize their race over qualifications."
I'm not certain in what context "unqualified" candidates are selected, it would be enlightening if an example could be provided. In the cases I'm familiar with, there is an overabundance of candidates who meet the selection criteria, ie they're all "qualified". That's the standard scenario in high demand situations such as entry into medical school, law school, Ivy league universities, tenure track professorships etc. Say Blacks are 10% of the population but are 5% of qualified medical school applicants. No matter what anyone does 75% of all of these qualified applicants won't be selected. In the distant past 1% of the class was Black, later 5%, it never reached 10%. Would it be OK if it was 10%?
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