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[Waechter418]

The way mind processes data reflects in its offspring, the computer.
However, the coordination capabilities of latter improve continuously, whereas mind seems to have problems handling the increase of external & internal, objective & subjective data.
This is often blamed on its hardware, i.e. the physiological aspects, yet rarely on the programs that coordinate the data, despite that many of them are obviously outdated, inefficient, hijacked by emotions and/or malwares which question the capabilities and sometimes even deny the functions of mind, thus impeding the possibility to repair & update its software.
But to alter something requires knowledge and understanding of its structures and dynamics – in this case of the mind. Lamentably, the mind of Sapiens knows more about molecules and galaxies than about itself. Not because Self-knowledge is an impossible task – after all everyone spends a lifetime with/in his/her mind – but because of millennia of systematic self-denial and subjection to external, superior, eternal etc powers called god, fate and whatever else seems suitable to cover up a lack of Self-responsibility.
Admittedly, Self-response-ability can be a pain in the butt – yet it can also be a blessing, as it may entail the realisation that all (external/internal/subjective/objective) phenomenon are interrelated - and coordinated by/in the mind.

[Pattern-chaser]

Lamentably, the mind of Sapiens knows more about molecules and galaxies than about itself. Not because Self-knowledge is an impossible task – after all everyone spends a lifetime with/in his/her mind – but because of millennia of systematic self-denial and subjection to external, superior, eternal etc powers called god, fate and whatever else seems suitable to cover up a lack of Self-responsibility.

In general, bootstrapping usually refers to a self-starting process that is supposed to continue or grow without external input. [...] The saying "to pull oneself up by one's bootstraps" was already in use during the 19th century as an example of an impossible task.

There is also the impossibility of bootstrapping to consider. You can't lift yourself up without a skyhook! You need something to lean on!

Do you really think a mind, using only itself as a tool, can discover and understand itself?

[Waechter418]

depends what you mean by "itself"

waechter418 offers in wordpress com - under the heading "Selfrealisation" - a vaiety of respective interpretations and ways of operation.

[Raghadabass]

I understand your point, however rather than comparing machinery to our human minds I would recommend the plant system since we both are living things.
You described everything but what about hormones, moods, feelings. You can't deny that computers don't have such things.
For example: if a human has a bad day all it's functions are affected, if a mobile was charged less all it's functions are affected. The question here is: Are they both comparable?
From my video no, why?
Because a human feeling was from itself, however the mobile battery was out of it's control.

The same is true for the mind mind. We might know who we are, we deny because of our inner selves rather than outer self. We have control over our actions computers don't.

Regards,
Fellow beginner reviewer