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[Cathal]

Perhaps a paradox with inter-generational guilt might be that defending certain deceased ancestors who were slightly evil by committing even more evil to defend their ancestors honour can backfire in misrepresenting ancestry as more evil than they actually were in creating a causal chain for descendants to be even more evil. This leads to a dangerous temptation to simulate absolute evil where criticising their descendants ends up ironically defending the idea their ancestors weren’t very evil in a way that awkwardly bestows a regal perception! Nonetheless it’s always better to forgive ancestry in Israel, America or European colonial countries when they’re all passed away only that the recent war in Palestine tends to function like a game of chicken that far exceeds the death toll from the initial division of Israel and Palestine many decades ago. Likewise a moral problem for Palestine is to forget the sheer disparity in scale between a bigger country’s and smaller country’s military as if they might only require a few fighter jets to defend Palestine like Ukraine is doing against Russia but the idea of actually invading Israel would require hundreds of fighter jets in such a manner that incitement to invade Israel can risk functioning as a slight diversion or euphemism for worse forms of hatred even if they’re still free to express hate speech in disliking Israel.

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Ballyallia Lake stars on my stroll last night

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Star reflections in same lake in Ennis

Perhaps having a dream of flying through the stars is simply a reminder not to contradict the idea that so many stars can appear simultaneously as if we can often be too self-absorbed to fully focus on all the less bright stars.

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Regal tree in the surrounding lake park

[Cathal]

Perhaps when we contrast war crimes as we see in Ukraine and Palestine with domestic terrorism and mass shootings the idea of mildly criticising Russia and Israel might backfire if critics weren’t actually relevant to not lambast them. So an inference of a moderate need for de-escalation can resemble a bank robbery police hostage negotiator having to tame the criminals there and then in a way that risks presenting you to be at the forefront as a pre-emptive mediator rather than as a sideline critic content to hate the culprits! It’s easy to forget that the gun-perpetrators of the concert mass shooting might sometimes bear more responsibility than their own leaders for the crime materialistically though not spiritually if the gun-terrorists were willing to defy orders against a counterfactual don’t fire command.

It’s as if an inability to share water crosses the line in tolerating civilians at risk of starvation in Palestine:

Black Hawk Down-Questioning Scene

A non-offer of tea or coffee in the third world might be enough to justify invasion to stop such wastage of land resources!

It's all in the grind - Coffee Scene Black Hawk Down

[Cathal]

“George Bush sought to connect Japan's postwar transition to democracy to the effort by Iraq's leaders to draft and approve a constitution.” latimes

Perhaps the way Japan and Germany ended up being rich and peaceful countries after the end of WW2 and the Cold War might mimic the problem of the midas touch of having no food left if everything turns to gold! So perhaps a slight masochistic ulterior motive in Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan to rebel against America or Israel to have no one support evil afterwards in a near criminal-free society isn’t always ideal if all other countries yearned for the same masochistic belief system! So even if a country is nicer that doesn’t always mean they’re humbler!

U2 - Magnificent

[Cathal]

Perhaps the hardest part of Christianity is to ponder what would’ve happened had America not sought revenge after 9/11 or had Israel not sought revenge after the concert mass shooting much like how the Jews forgave the Germans after WW2. For example with the Las Vegas mass shooter there was no one to kill in revenge other than the mass shooter. That way Al-Qaeda and Hamas would simply have been ostracised after the terror attacks simply because they underestimated the opening problem that if no other country was evil then the terror groups would simply have no one to trade with. An ironic twist with such divine retribution in cultural and economic ostracism is that America’s and Israel’s revenge bombings downplayed just how evil Islamic terror groups could have been viewed which wasn’t quite as punitive as Christianity itself might have theoretically yearned for! Yet perhaps this twist comes with a catch that people who simply support evil as a value are actually nicer at being evil than people who perpetuate evil without claiming to be evil. For example I could theoretically relish everyday in killing German civilians during WW2 yet I’m metaphysically barred from doing so because it might never stop happening if it was once tolerated. So even though people can appear triumphalist over evil countries they can’t always emotionally agree with it even if they try to rationally or verbally agree with triumphalism simply because a virtue and a concession of not semantically saying we’re representing evil as a victor. So the problem of evil can be compounded by saying if I sided with evil I’d ironically be nicer than the entire Israeli bombardment of Palestine simply by not disagreeing that I’d be evil as a value. That way even though Israel already claims they aren’t evil they can’t always take full credit for that value system if they’re condemned to be irrelevant the moment they ever change their mind to side with evil if I’d ended up being nicer as an evil value without once working hard to kill thousands of people! For example I could eat lots of cake in revenge for Marie-Antoinette’s “Let them eat cake” comment during food shortages before the French revolution in such a way that rich people aren’t evil to be ascetic in their food choices but could fail absolutely if they ever converted to evil had I ended up being indulgent to a value of evil than a palace just to agree to eating cake!!!

[Cathal]

The way forgiveness can appear evil in endangering others to recidivists can function like a lie detector as if you’d to forgive forgiveness itself. So if forgiveness was symbolically evil then anyone you forgive might deviate in how they view you. So if they viewed you as being suddenly evil months later then if you were always actually secretly evil to forgive them they might betray an immoral intention even if it wasn’t an immoral act. As such forgiveness can mimic Schrödinger's cat in occasionally allowing you to roughly infer someone’s inner desires holistically by not pulling the trigger in revenge if you’d otherwise be deterministically evil to never forgive and to automatically pull the trigger in revenge! That way the battle of good versus evil would be in quantum superposition!

“Schrödinger's Cat is a famous thought experiment that demonstrates the idea in quantum physics that tiny particles can be in two states at once until they're observed. It asks you to imagine a cat in a box with a mechanism that might kill it. Until you look inside, the cat is both alive and dead at the same time.” builtin

[Cathal]

A false charm can work in both directions. So Israel might not be evil to kill Palestinians if Palestine agreed with evil. Yet the inverse can also be true if Israel wasn’t evil to kill innocent Palestinians in order to snitch on all other countries supporting Israel were Israel intending on a sting operation! Hence forgiveness can be a stealth weapon for Christianity to divide and conquer!