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Do You Know Any YEC's?

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Re: Do You Know Any YEC's?

Post by Thinking critical » September 14th, 2018, 7:24 am

Romanz1 wrote:
September 13th, 2018, 10:01 pm
I'm Catholic and used to believe in a young earth, but then discovered that that interpretation of Genesis has been proven incorrect but modern geology (more specifically, radiometric dating). I now believe God may have used evolution over millions of years to produce life - except in the case of man, who did not evolve from a pre-existing creature, but was created separately and distinctly (from inanimate matter, as described in Genesis 2:7), 6000-10000 years ago.
This should make it quite obvious that theistic scripture and emperical science are not compatible with each other.
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Re: Do You Know Any YEC's?

Post by Steve3007 » September 15th, 2018, 12:27 pm

anonymous66 wrote:How about you? Do you know any YEC's?
Not knowingly. But the subject almost never comes up outside of philosophy discussions.
Romanz1 wrote:I now believe God may have used evolution over millions of years to produce life - except in the case of man, who did not evolve from a pre-existing creature, but was created separately and distinctly (from inanimate matter, as described in Genesis 2:7), 6000-10000 years ago.
Do you think this is true of all species/subspecies of man? Or just homo sapiens sapiens?

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Re: Do You Know Any YEC's?

Post by ThomasHobbes » September 15th, 2018, 1:18 pm

anonymous66 wrote:
May 21st, 2018, 3:05 pm
Do you know any Young Earth Creationists in real life?
YECs do not occupy 'real life', but inhabit a strange fantasy world of their own making.

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Re: Do You Know Any YEC's?

Post by Steve3007 » September 16th, 2018, 5:13 am

Continuing the theme of other [sub]species of man:

I often wonder if this idea that homo sapiens sapiens is fundamentally distinct from the rest of the animal world would still have taken hold if our closest relatives (e.g. homo erectus) had not recently (on evolutionary timescales) died out. As it is, we're left with chimpanzees as our closest living relatives, separated from us by something like 6 million years.

If it was clearer that the difference between species is a quasi-continuum on which we impose our own hard dividing lines, and if there were as many living species of hominidae as there are, say, beetles, perhaps the more realistic picture of the world would have been built into our cultures (including our religions) from the start.

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Re: Do You Know Any YEC's?

Post by Steve3007 » September 16th, 2018, 5:41 am

An article suggesting that the extinction of homo erectus was due to their laziness and conservatism:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 091542.htm

Perhaps that explains why some humans climb mountains and, when asked why they do, reply "because it's there" with a faraway look in their eyes. Homo erectus didn't, and died out as a result. Possibly.

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Re: Do You Know Any YEC's?

Post by Romanz1 » September 21st, 2018, 1:35 am

Thinking critical wrote:
September 14th, 2018, 7:24 am

This should make it quite obvious that theistic scripture and emperical science are not compatible with each other.
Science tells us how the world works, religion tries to tell us how the world should live.
Not entirely - I believe the Bible when it says Adam was the first man who was created from inanimate matter about 7000 years ago.

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Re: Do You Know Any YEC's?

Post by Romanz1 » September 21st, 2018, 1:39 am

Steve3007 wrote:
September 15th, 2018, 12:27 pm
Romanz1 wrote:I now believe God may have used evolution over millions of years to produce life - except in the case of man, who did not evolve from a pre-existing creature, but was created separately and distinctly (from inanimate matter, as described in Genesis 2:7), 6000-10000 years ago.
Do you think this is true of all species/subspecies of man? Or just homo sapiens sapiens?
Just homo sapiens, I guess. Not sure if I believe in 'species/subspecies of man'.

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Re: Do You Know Any YEC's?

Post by Burning ghost » September 21st, 2018, 2:18 am

Romanz1 wrote:
September 21st, 2018, 1:35 am
Thinking critical wrote:
September 14th, 2018, 7:24 am

This should make it quite obvious that theistic scripture and emperical science are not compatible with each other.
Science tells us how the world works, religion tries to tell us how the world should live.
Not entirely - I believe the Bible when it says Adam was the first man who was created from inanimate matter about 7000 years ago.
This is interesting. Do you understand/agree that something that looked very much like modern ma existed before 7000 years ago? If so then I am assuming you believe god “added” something extra to these beasts and/or used them as a template for us?

If so then what exactly do you believe as added?
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Re: Do You Know Any YEC's?

Post by Steve3007 » September 21st, 2018, 2:33 am

Romanz1 wrote:Just homo sapiens, I guess. Not sure if I believe in 'species/subspecies of man'.
That's interesting, because you said earlier that you do believe that species other than homo sapiens developed via a process of evolution. The evidence for that is largely in the fossil record. The evidence for the evolution, and relatively recent extinction, of various other hominid species, such as homo erectus, is also in the fossil record. Why do you choose to believe some fossil evidence but not others? Is it because you want to believe some things but don't want to believe others? Do you think that believing or not believing things like this is a matter of personal preference?

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Re: Do You Know Any YEC's?

Post by Eduk » September 21st, 2018, 3:02 am

Romanz, wouldn't it be simpler to go with the scientific consensus and your religious beliefs. As in can't both be true? Even in the case of a clear contradiction such as evolution accounts for humanity V God directly made humans independently of evolution. Can't you just believe both things? Wouldn't that give you the best of both worlds?
I just find the mish mash of logic confusing and question the utility of trying to preserve non contradiction in this example.
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Re: Do You Know Any YEC's?

Post by Thinking critical » September 21st, 2018, 8:10 am

Romanz1 wrote:
September 21st, 2018, 1:35 am
Thinking critical wrote:
September 14th, 2018, 7:24 am

This should make it quite obvious that theistic scripture and emperical science are not compatible with each other.
Science tells us how the world works, religion tries to tell us how the world should live.
Not entirely - I believe the Bible when it says Adam was the first man who was created from inanimate matter about 7000 years ago.
Again reiterating my point that science is NOT compatible with religious scripture. Bibles are stories written by mortals in a time when our species simply didn't have the technology to gain a coherent understanding of nature. It is no suprise that ancient scriptures constantly make reference to gods, demons and miracles in order to explain natural phenomena. This type of thinking is consistent with the limited intellectual capacity of the era.
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Re: Do You Know Any YEC's?

Post by Burning ghost » September 21st, 2018, 9:26 am

Thinking Critical -

People are free to believe whatever they wish and pick and choose as they see fit. I find your blithe analysis of religious scripture leaves a lot to be desired.
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Re: Do You Know Any YEC's?

Post by LuckyR » September 21st, 2018, 11:37 am

Romanz1 wrote:
September 21st, 2018, 1:35 am
Thinking critical wrote:
September 14th, 2018, 7:24 am

This should make it quite obvious that theistic scripture and emperical science are not compatible with each other.
Science tells us how the world works, religion tries to tell us how the world should live.
Not entirely - I believe the Bible when it says Adam was the first man who was created from inanimate matter about 7000 years ago.
Just curious. When a pre-schooler asks you: "why is the sky blue?" or "where do babies come from?" What do you answer?
"As usual... it depends."

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