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Intelligent design

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Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu » October 12th, 2018, 9:17 am

It is 100 percent proven fact that inteligent design can produce a complex functionally integrated object, as by example of a watchmaker producing a watch. If then we come across a complex functionally integrated object, such as organisms are, then it is reasonable to speculate it was created by intelligent design.

How intelligent design of a watch functions is to create a representation of the watch in the mind, according to which design the watch is produced. The design of the watch is arrived at by a way of choosing it. The options for the way the design can turn out are constricted by goals such as telling the time.

The basic function of human intelligence is formed by the dna system. The question is if the dna system functions as an insipient intelligence itself, and the human intelligence is a derivative of that intelligence, or if the dna just carries the information to form intellience, but does not have the basic function of intelligence itself.

The dna system can form an ant and an elephant. It is wide ranging in what shapes it can grow, as the human mind is wide ranging in what shapes it can imagine. It is evidence that the dna system functions as an intelligence.

The human mind is alike a world in it's own right. It can model anything in the universe proper, and can imagine any number things that don't exist in it. As the human mind is like a world in it's own right, we should expect the basic mathematical ordering of the human mind to be the same as the basic mathematical ordering of the universe. A computersimulation of the universe would also have the same basic mathematical ordering as the universe.

If the DNA system is a basic intelligence, then it should have the same basic ordering as the universe does. And the evidence shows that the basic ordering of the dna system is the same as the basic ordering of the universe. As a fractal the basic ordering of the universe repeats itself in nature, it is the most natural ordering there is.

Therefore, the dna system first generates a representation of the adult organism, and then it guides development to adulthood according to that representation. Or the dna system generates an anticipation of the adult organism, as a possibility in the future, and development is guided by this anticipation.

The intelligent design of the organism occurs in the dna world, as like the watchmaker chooses the design in the world of the human mind.

The dna system does not just form organisms, as it is an insipient intelligence, it is also used for information processing. Single cell organisms use the dna system to process information about their enironment.

The human brain is an extension of the information processing capability of the dna system. That is how we can have biological information in our mind. It seems to be true one has the basic information of the shape of the opposite sex biologically, even without having seen it.

So intelligent design explains functionally integrated complexity of organisms, it explains development of organisms to adulthood, it explains abiogenesis (as the dna system is a fractal repeating pattern of the basic ordering of the universe), it explains sense information processing. Intelligent design is the theory that ties all of biology together, making sense of it.

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Re: Intelligent design

Post by Eduk » October 12th, 2018, 11:00 am

Do biologists agree with you? Are they doing biology if they don't agree with you? How much better would they do biology if they did agree with you? What advancements have biologists made whom do agree with you?
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Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu » October 12th, 2018, 11:11 am

Cancer in general could be a distortion in the signal the dna system produces, sending out the information of the adult form. So basically one could possibly cure cancer with intelligent design theory.

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Re: Intelligent design

Post by LuckyR » October 12th, 2018, 11:19 am

Hhmmm... if sketchy analogies qualify as "100 percent proven fact" then that is further "proof" that we are truly in the Post Factual era.
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Re: Intelligent design

Post by Eduk » October 12th, 2018, 11:23 am

Aww come on Syamsu. I asked you five questions. You've not really answered any of them. I asked what advancements they had made not what advancements they might make. Not to rule out the potential of course.
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Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu » October 12th, 2018, 11:31 am

Science is presently full of materialist nuts, who do everything to get away from the spirit choosing. It is why they devised many universe theory. Instead of the spirit making one of alternative futures the present, they surmise two different universes, so to avoid the spirit choosing. And then there are postmodernist nuts asserting the gender bias towards men in mathematics theory. Then there is an epidemic of mental illness among students, because they all suck at subjectivity, because subjectivity is a creationist concept, and creationism is outlawed. Creationism is the saviour of science. Social darwinism = evolution theory, is the anti thesis of science. There is no law of change operating in the universe. The comparisons between organisms are all in the human mind, evolution theory is just an interpretative framework. Creation, intelligent design is real.

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Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu » October 12th, 2018, 11:34 am

You and people like you are the explanation why there is no advancement. Creationism is outlawed in 99 percent of universities. Evolutionists are fascists you know, who don't accept freedom of opinion, so they outlawed creationism.

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Re: Intelligent design

Post by LuckyR » October 12th, 2018, 11:44 am

Syamsu wrote:
October 12th, 2018, 11:34 am
You and people like you are the explanation why there is no advancement. Creationism is outlawed in 99 percent of universities. Evolutionists are fascists you know, who don't accept freedom of opinion, so they outlawed creationism.
Hhmmm... sky fairy believers are not particularly known for their tolerance of those who disagree, so I wouldn't go there, since history disproves your opinion with more than "100 percent proven fact".
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Re: Intelligent design

Post by Eduk » October 12th, 2018, 11:46 am

Let us imagine that the answer to my last question regarding advancement of Biology by intelligent design proponents was that they had made no advancements. Would this, hypothetical, answer damage your claims? Or would your claims remain strong?
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Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu » October 12th, 2018, 12:51 pm

History shows that the people who don't even accept freedom is a reality of physics also throw out freedom in politics, when push comes to shove.

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Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu » October 12th, 2018, 12:52 pm

Intelligence is a complicated issue. With intelligent design theory the problems are all up front to get it started.

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Re: Intelligent design

Post by Eduk » October 12th, 2018, 1:55 pm

Do you always struggle to answer questions?
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Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu » October 12th, 2018, 2:01 pm

Are you just a moron about choice, inteliigent design, freedom, or are you a moron about every issue?

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Re: Intelligent design

Post by Burning ghost » October 12th, 2018, 2:45 pm

Syamsu wrote:
October 12th, 2018, 2:01 pm
Are you just a moron about choice, inteliigent design, freedom, or are you a moron about every issue?
When someone is trying to help calling them “a moron” is not going to help matters.

Eduk asked some simple questions. The OP is still quite scattered and confused so you should take what can get.
Eduk wrote:
October 12th, 2018, 11:00 am
Do biologists agree with you? Are they doing biology if they don't agree with you? How much better would they do biology if they did agree with you? What advancements have biologists made whom do agree with you?
If he’s taking the time to converse with you it wouldn’t hurt if you could attempt to answer his questions or at least express in a civil way why you aren’t going to.
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Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu » October 12th, 2018, 3:20 pm

Is just another atheist, materialist hack playing games. No meanigful argument will ever come from him. And you disallowed calling a generalized structure of creation theory, creationism. That's also just playing games.

Only creationists understand the procedure to prime emotions for honesty and fairness in debate, pay attention to it. Materialists ignore their own emotions, they just focus on the sceintific method. They bring reeking emotional attitudes to debate, they are totally controlled by their prejudices.

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