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The Meaning of Energy

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The Meaning of Energy

Post by Being_1925 » January 13th, 2019, 8:05 pm

Human imagination can’t create a God no matter how correct that one imagination should be. Because of that we do not have to be atheistic, and be not respecting all the creation that is around us. It is not we that created all the plants and all the animals that are living. But with the creation of man, nature lets us be part in having children to help in the preservation of human life. It is not a mysterious power but the energy that is all around us, that is the cause of everything that is created. So it is well proven that all mass is energy. When all is energy, it is self-evident that our soul is also of energy and that gives me and everyone else and all creatures the chance to represent energy. We can see what is all possible from energy, all the many different elements that are building up the stars which can be in clusters like the Milky Way and many other galaxies.

For all the creations by energy, man is the most impressive result with his ability to think and his ability for his imaginations. It is this that what gives human beings the right to be protected and to act accordingly.

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Re: The Meaning of Energy

Post by Eduk » January 14th, 2019, 3:47 am

I think atheists do respect the world around them exactly as much as non atheists.
Also, if I understand your main point, I agree morally we have a duty to protect life, both on this planet and elsewhere. Spiderman has said it 'with great power comes great responsibility', a bit cheesy but not unreasonable.
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Re: The Meaning of Energy

Post by bucky » January 14th, 2019, 4:18 am

Being_1925 wrote:
January 13th, 2019, 8:05 pm
Human imagination can’t create a God no matter how correct that one imagination should be.
You need to define what you mean by a god before it's clear whether I can create one with my imagination or not.

For example, "God is an idea of a non-physical entity which can be an appropriate object of worship"

On this definition of what a god is, I can create any number of gods with my imagination, because that definition of what a god is contains the qualifier "is an idea" and ideas are exactly the kinds of things I can create with my imagination.

If the trouble is that you've placed an existential qualifier into the definition, eg. "God is an all-powerful entity which actually exists in the world." Then yes, I can't create with my imagination something which actually exists in the world -- but you can't define something into existence.

For example, "A unicorn is a horse with a horn which also exists" doesn't define into existence unicorns. The proposition exerted by the definition is empirically false.

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Re: The Meaning of Energy

Post by bucky » January 14th, 2019, 4:46 am

Just a small elaboration on the point above -- there are interpretations of Spinoza in which he identified God with nature. On that interpretation, the two are synonymous. Even an atheist, on that definition, would agree that they believe in God. Spinoza thought this was a misinterpretation of his philosophy, but that doesn't change that when Einstein said 'I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world", he probably meant this interpretation.

This interpretation is definitely what Hawking meant when he made any reference to God. This is why around the time Grand Design was published, there was talk that he "changed his mind" about God, but that wasn't true. He kept the same position he always did, the issue was other people assuming he had the same definition they did.

So as above, when you talk about 'God', you'd need to first be clear what you're referring to so we can make sure we're both talking about the same thing.

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Post by Scott » January 14th, 2019, 1:41 pm

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Re: The Meaning of Energy

Post by JohnHermes » January 16th, 2019, 8:42 am

There is but one ultimate form of Matter; one ultimate form of Energy; one ultimate form of Mind. Matter proceeds from Energy, and Energy from Mind, and all are an emanation of the Absolute, threefold in appearance but One in substance. There is but One Life, and that permeates the Universe, manifesting in various forms, but being, at the last, but One. My body is one with Universal Matter; My energy and vital force is one with the Universal Energy; - William Walker Atkinsons Raja Yoga

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