Ape, I don't see the relevance of your quotes. I do not see what scripture or commandments from a particular religion has to do with this discussion.
I do see the relevance of both our words!:)
So I will be able to help you see the relevance of mine.
I do not find that implied request for clarification taxing in any way!:)
Taxes and taxation by the State
were originally related to tithing by the Church or religion
, a sort of 1/10 or 10% tax which originated in ancient times in Babylon and referred to in lots of holy books of various religions and cultures and states:
"A tithe (from Old English teogoþa "tenth") is a one-tenth part of something, paid as a (usually) voluntary contribution or as a tax or levy, usually to support a religious organization."
"Hebrew is a Semitic language, related to Akkadian, the lingua franca of that time. An Akkadian noun that Abraham was most likely familiar with given his Babylonian background was esretu, meaning "one-tenth". By the time of Abraham, this phrase was used to refer to the "one-tenth tax," or "tithe". Listed below are some specific instances of the Mesopotamian tithe, taken from The Assyrian Dictionary of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago, Vol. 4 "E":"
"Tithing in the Middle Ages:
After the Reformation the tithe was increasingly taken over from the church by the state
. In countries such as Germany and Switzerland, this remained the case until the 19th century, when the tithe was abolished. In England, church tithes remained until the 19th century and in some cases to this day voluntary tithes are paid by the devout. In some cases the abolishment of the tithe was accompanied by a one-time tax upon the farmers. This led many farmers into debt.
The right to receive tithes was granted to the English churches by King Ethelwulf in 855
. The Saladin tithe was a royal tax
, but assessed using ecclesiastical boundaries, in 1188. Tithes were given legal force by the Statute of Westminster of 1285
. Adam Smith
criticized the system in The Wealth of Nations (1776), arguing that a fixed rent would encourage peasants to farm more efficiently. The Dissolution of the Monasteries led to the transfer of many tithe rights from the Church to secular landowners, and then in the 1530s to the Crown
. The system ended with the Tithe Commutation Act 1836, which replaced tithes with a rent charge decided by a Tithe Commission. The records of land ownership, or Tithe Files, made by the Commission are now a valuable resource for historians.
At first this commutation reduced problems to the ultimate payers by folding tithes in with rents (however it could cause transitional money supply problems by raising the transaction demand for money). Later the decline of large landowners led tenants to become freeholders and again have to pay directly; this also led to renewed objections of principle by non-Anglicans.
The rent charges paid to landowners were converted by the Tithe Commutation Act to annuities paid to the state through the Tithe Redemption Commission. The payments were transferred in 1960 to the Board of Inland Revenue, and finally terminated by the Finance Act 1977.
The United States has never collected a church tax or mandatory tithe
on its citizens. Such a tax is likely prohibited by the First Amendment (specifically the Establishment Clause) to the US Constitution. The United States and its governmental subdivisions also exempt most churches from payment of income tax (under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code and similar state statutes, which also allows donors to claim the donations as an income tax itemized deduction). Also, churches may be permitted exemption from other state and local taxes such as sales and property taxes, either in whole or in part. However, churches are required to withhold Federal and state income tax from their employees along with the employee's share of Social Security and Medicare taxes, and pay the employer's share of the latter two taxes, unless the employee is an ordained, licensed, or commissioned minister."
"With the establishment of the new nation, the citizens of the various colonies now had proper democratic representation, yet many Americans still opposed and resisted taxes they deemed unfair or improper
. In 1794, a group of farmers in southwestern Pennsylvania physically opposed the tax on whiskey, forcing President Washington to send Federal troops to suppress the Whiskey Rebellion, establishing the important precedent that the Federal government was determined to enforce its revenue laws. The Whiskey Rebellion also confirmed, however, that the resistance to unfair or high taxes that led to the Declaration of Independence did not evaporate with the forming of a new, representative government."
http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-s ... stax.shtml
"Preach, my dear Sir, a crusade against ignorance; establish & improve the law for educating the common people. Let our countrymen know that the people alone can protect us against these evils, and that the tax
which will be paid for this purpose is not more than the thousandth part of what
will be paid to kings, priests & nobles who will rise up among us if we leave the people in ignorance."
Tom Jefferson, To George Wythe Paris, August 13, 1786.
The scriptural reference of Romans 13 could be taken as reference in literature, and was to emphazise the paying of Love and Respect to whatever good or bad Government, whether we pay taxes or not just as we pay The Principle of Love and Respect
to each other on this Forum and to this Forum whether we pay monetary contributions or not!:)
Like these references do more specifically, even tho they omit any references to tribute and custom and etc which are other words for taxes:
"The first of all laws
is to respect all laws
." Jean Jacques Rousseau. 1758.
"Our aim is to recognise what Lincoln pointed out:
The fact that there are some respects in which men are obviously NOT equal: but also insist that there should be an EQUALITY OF SELF-RESPECT and of MUTUAL RESPECT
Theodore Roosevelt, 7th annual message to Congress, 12.3.1907
Those refs mean that the first illegality or unlawfulness is disrespect or hate any laws--except one law, of course.
Are you saying you support taxation without representation in cases where the government officials choosing to tax people who don't have a vote are supposedly loving people?
Yes or no?
Simply because persons of the Integrity of Love and Respect, who pay that eternal tax to all, would not only automactically represent the interests of the people who have NO vote but pay taxes but also represent the interests of those who have the RIGHT to vote and pay taxes but do NOT vote!
If so, I think that's absurd.
I think I also see surdity in what you think of as absurd!
I think you will see it too, Scott, as you think on it more fully from both sides.
What other government actions that are commonly seen as tyrannical would you support if the person doing them has been loving. Dictatorships, drastic limitations on free speech, mass-executions?
At all times, to whatever hateful government practicing tyranny, dictatorship, limiting free-speech, singular or mass executions and etc OR to the opposite loving kind of government, those taxed have the rights and options to pay taxes with all their Love and Respect or with all Hate and Disrespect and bear the consequences, OR with all their Love and Respect or with all their Hate & Disrespect to NOT pay any taxes and bear the consequences.
I want to be understood.
So thanks for speaking up and asking!
are inland taxes paid in money/cash/check.
are import taxes paid in money/cash/check.
just means within and across and beyond national borders and normal taxes of all kinds.
Love and Respect would be the permanent Excise and Custom or IOU or Tax paid along with any paid or unpaid monetary tax.
Hope that helps.
By the way, I find your prose so internally poetic!:)